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Is Removal of Strickland An Act of Revenge?
« on: November 16, 2023, 02:24:15 PM »
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  • A look into the Irish connection for removing Bishop Strickland.  What is the saying, "Revenge is best served cold"?
    Dig a little deeper into the history of the Diocese of Tyler and the building of a new, affluent suburban parish long ago.  After years of fundraising and procuring fine art for the new sanctuary, wouldn't it be heartless for a bishop to move the hardworking priest from his life's project and put him in the boondocks of a smaller parish?

    https://www.complicitclergy.com/2023/11/16/watch-liberal-irish-lobby-helped-remove-bishop-strickland/
    (from YouTube by Robert Nugent)

    https://tylerpaper.com/news/local/father-tim-kelly-departing-his-flint-parish-reflects-on-his-ministry-and-his-faith/article_42f11471-839a-5343-a285-ea1...

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    Re: Is Removal of Strickland An Act of Revenge?
    « Reply #1 on: November 16, 2023, 02:33:23 PM »
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  • Local KLTV report :  "East Texas pastor speaks on pope's removal of Tyler bishop Strickland" by JD Conte.

    https://www.kltv.com/2023/11/12/east-texas-pastor-speaks-popes-removal-tyler-bishop-strickland/


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    Re: Is Removal of Strickland An Act of Revenge?
    « Reply #2 on: November 16, 2023, 02:41:25 PM »
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  • A look into the Irish connection for removing Bishop Strickland.  What is the saying, "Revenge is best served cold"?
    Dig a little deeper into the history of the Diocese of Tyler and the building of a new, affluent suburban parish long ago.  After years of fundraising and procuring fine art for the new sanctuary, wouldn't it be heartless for a bishop to move the hardworking priest from his life's project and put him in the boondocks of a smaller parish?

    https://www.complicitclergy.com/2023/11/16/watch-liberal-irish-lobby-helped-remove-bishop-strickland/
    (from YouTube by Robert Nugent)

    https://tylerpaper.com/news/local/father-tim-kelly-departing-his-flint-parish-reflects-on-his-ministry-and-his-faith/article_42f11471-839a-5343-a285-ea1...
    https://tylerpaper.com/news/local/father-tim-kelly-departing-his-flint-parish-reflects-on-his-ministry-and-his-faith/article_42f11471-839a-5343-a285-ea1754cOedOb.html

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    Re: Is Removal of Strickland An Act of Revenge?
    « Reply #3 on: November 16, 2023, 02:46:37 PM »
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  • I don't buy it. Removing a bishop from a diocese is a very rare action, taken only in extreme circuмstances. Novus Ordo Watch looked into it, and this is only the second time a bishop has been removed from his diocese since Vatican 2 itself.

    On the other hand, dioceses are always having disputes over the kind of thing presented here.

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    Re: Is Removal of Strickland An Act of Revenge?
    « Reply #4 on: November 16, 2023, 03:32:11 PM »
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  • It might be that Bergolio/Francis is trying to make an example of Strickland, as a warning to others. After all, Strickland is against the homo-heresy, and that cannot be tolerated.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Is Removal of Strickland An Act of Revenge?
    « Reply #5 on: November 16, 2023, 04:39:55 PM »
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  • This action was not a message to traditional Catholics.  It is directed at the Conciliar Church.

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    Re: Is Removal of Strickland An Act of Revenge?
    « Reply #6 on: November 16, 2023, 05:06:57 PM »
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  • It might be that Bergolio/Francis is trying to make an example of Strickland, as a warning to others. After all, Strickland is against the homo-heresy, and that cannot be tolerated.
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    Yes, I think it's something like this. It almost certainly is not due to a basically personal dispute between him and some priest in his diocese over which parish he was assigned to.

    Personally I think Strickland opposition to the jab is maybe the biggest factor resulting in his removal. Novus Ordo Watch said the only other bishop removed from his diocese since Vatican 2 was only about two years ago, a Puerto Rican bishop who also publicly condemned the jab and gave religious exemptions against receiving it to the members of his diocese. I don't think that's a coincidence.

    I have never seen anything the globalists wanted more badly in my entire life than to inject that wretched poison into the veins of every human being on earth. It doesn't surprise me at all that this was the reason behind both these firings.

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    Re: Is Removal of Strickland An Act of Revenge?
    « Reply #7 on: November 16, 2023, 05:20:42 PM »
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    Yes, I think it's something like this. It almost certainly is not due to a basically personal dispute between him and some priest in his diocese over which parish he was assigned to.

    Personally I think Strickland opposition to the jab is maybe the biggest factor resulting in his removal. Novus Ordo Watch said the only other bishop removed from his diocese since Vatican 2 was only about two years ago, a Puerto Rican bishop who also publicly condemned the jab and gave religious exemptions against receiving it to the members of his diocese. I don't think that's a coincidence.

    I have never seen anything the globalists wanted more badly in my entire life than to inject that wretched poison into the veins of every human being on earth. It doesn't surprise me at all that this was the reason behind both these firings.

    I wasn't aware that another bishop was removed from the diocese two years ago, and that he too condemned the jab. Yes, that could have something to do with it. 

    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Is Removal of Strickland An Act of Revenge?
    « Reply #8 on: November 17, 2023, 12:48:25 PM »
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  • Well, you make an interesting point.  Also look into Lepanto institute, Michael Hichborn?, I believe.  They wrote an article about the group "Coalition for Cancelled Priests" group.  

    In the article it explained the changes(continued), of women coming in as clerics and so out with and in with.  It is part of the "Restructuring Plan".  All dioceses went through this.  Here in AZ Olmsted restructured over 90 parishes in 2004 or so.  You may find the writing or reading some where?, for it has been awhile.

    Churches will close, one priest for 4-5 parishes. It is new order, as you know.

    Just remember that the "Coalition of Cancelled Priest". Lie.  They have no Holy Orders and therefore they are not priests. (since 1968)  They are drawing sympathy and Mel Gibson started them out with $$$$$.  Even the Coalition put money out for billboards asking that they be "reinstated".  Strange group.  Even Frank Pavone, supposedly pro-life, another liar.  New Order through Catholic Charities does more than support$$$ abortion, Planned Parenthood for decades!!  All these so-called cancelled priest are not pro-life and they do not bring life to the people (no altar, no Orders, no Christ, no sacraments).

    IMO these men, not priest, knew in advance that they were going to be ousted (restructuring).  This is their way of drawing sympathy.  I, have no tears!

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    Re: Is Removal of Strickland An Act of Revenge?
    « Reply #9 on: November 18, 2023, 06:32:00 AM »
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  • Well, you make an interesting point.  Also look into Lepanto institute, Michael Hichborn?, I believe.  They wrote an article about the group "Coalition for Cancelled Priests" group. 

    In the article it explained the changes(continued), of women coming in as clerics and so out with and in with.  It is part of the "Restructuring Plan".  All dioceses went through this.  Here in AZ Olmsted restructured over 90 parishes in 2004 or so.  You may find the writing or reading some where?, for it has been awhile.

    Churches will close, one priest for 4-5 parishes. It is new order, as you know.

    Just remember that the "Coalition of Cancelled Priest". Lie.  They have no Holy Orders and therefore they are not priests. (since 1968)  They are drawing sympathy and Mel Gibson started them out with $$$$$.  Even the Coalition put money out for billboards asking that they be "reinstated".  Strange group.  Even Frank Pavone, supposedly pro-life, another liar.  New Order through Catholic Charities does more than support$$$ abortion, Planned Parenthood for decades!!  All these so-called cancelled priest are not pro-life and they do not bring life to the people (no altar, no Orders, no Christ, no sacraments).

    IMO these men, not priest, knew in advance that they were going to be ousted (restructuring).  This is their way of drawing sympathy.  I, have no tears!
    Dear Songbird,
    The question is, do these men know that they are not true priests and bishops?  I am hoping that all this publicity will show many sleepy people the reality of what they think is the Catholic church, including those in the "clergy".  The machinations of men with nefarious intent may cause that nagging doubt..."what has happened to the Catholic Church of long ago?"

    Another question...why does the SSPX want so desperately to be accepted by the novus ordoites?  If the SSPX think that being "recognized" by the novus ordo hierarchy will protect them from the coming persecution, what has happened to Strickland should be a giant red flag warning!  Even a conservative novus ordo bishop can be kicked out because he refused to eliminate the Latin "masses" in his diocese.

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    Re: Is Removal of Strickland An Act of Revenge?
    « Reply #10 on: November 18, 2023, 09:52:21 AM »
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  • It might be that Bergolio/Francis is trying to make an example of Strickland, as a warning to others. After all, Strickland is against the homo-heresy, and that cannot be tolerated.

    I think Strickland's crime was more his support of the natural law and his opposition to the jab, not so much matters of supernatural revelation. ...

    Yes, I think it's something like this. It almost certainly is not due to a basically personal dispute between him and some priest in his diocese over which parish he was assigned to.

    Personally I think Strickland opposition to the jab is maybe the biggest factor resulting in his removal. ...

    I think it is a combination. There was his opposition to the jab as well as the "Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence", but also more recently, his pastoral letter trying to preempt the Synod by reminding his flock of some basic Catholic teachings.  I agree with Yeti that "It almost certainly is not due to a basically personal dispute between him and some priest in his diocese over which parish he was assigned to."

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    "Although his relationship with the Vatican has been tense for some time, Strickland's leadership in organizing a march to Dodger Stadium in mid-June [2023] protesting the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, a drag group which performs blasphemous acts against the Catholic faith, earned him an unusual "apostolic visit" ordered by the Vatican. Previously, the head of the Tyler, Texas, diocese had already been privately reprimanded by Archbishop Christophe Pierre, the papal nuncio to the United States, for his criticism of Pope Francis and his concern regarding the progressive drift of the Catholic Church.

    "The conservative website LifeSiteNews, which said it interviewed Strickland on Saturday, quoted him as saying one of the reasons given for his ouster was his refusal to implement Francis’ 2021 restrictions on celebrating the old Latin Mass."

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    August 22, 2023 - Bishop Strickland's Pastoral Letter


    ... it is important to reiterate the following basic truths that have always been understood by the Church from time immemorial, and to emphasize that the Church exists not to redefine matters of faith, but to safeguard the Deposit of Faith as it has been handed down to us from Our Lord Himself through the apostles and the saints and martyrs. ...

    Christ established One Church—the Catholic Church—and, therefore, only the Catholic Church provides the fullness of Christ’s truth and the authentic path to His salvation for all of us. 


    The Eucharist and all the sacraments are divinely instituted, not developed by man.  The Eucharist is truly Christ’s Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity, and to receive Him in Communion unworthily (i.e. in a state of grave, unrepentant sin) is a devastating sacrilege for the individual and for the Church. (1 Cor 11:27-29) 


    The Sacrament of Matrimony is instituted by God.  Through Natural Law, God has established marriage as between one man and one woman faithful to each other for life and open to children.  Humanity has no right or true ability to redefine marriage. 


    Every human person is created in the image and likeness of God, male or female, and all people should be helped to discover their true identities as children of God, and not supported in a disordered attempt to reject their undeniable biological and God-given identity. 


    sɛҳuąƖ activity outside marriage is always gravely sinful and cannot be condoned, blessed, or deemed permissible by any authority inside the Church. 


    The belief that all men and women will be saved regardless of how they live their lives (a concept commonly referred to as universalism) is false and is dangerous, as it contradicts what Jesus tells us repeatedly in the Gospel.  Jesus says we must “deny ourselves, take up our cross and follow Him.” (Matt 16:24)  He has given us the way, through His grace, to victory over sin and death through repentance and sacramental confession.  ... Through repentance and sacramental confession, ...  


    In order to follow Jesus Christ, we must willingly choose to take up our cross instead of attempting to avoid the cross and suffering that Our Lord offers to each of us individually in our daily lives. ...





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    Re: Is Removal of Strickland An Act of Revenge?
    « Reply #11 on: November 18, 2023, 09:55:54 AM »
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  • As an interesting footnote, when I tried to find that August 22 pastoral letter, I couldn't find it on the diocesan website. 



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    Re: Is Removal of Strickland An Act of Revenge?
    « Reply #12 on: November 18, 2023, 10:12:47 AM »
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    The embattled Bishop Joseph Strickland, 65, the first native-born Texan to head the Diocese of Tyler, in mostly-Protestant eastern Texas, was relieved of the leadership of his see by Pope Francis on Saturday, November 11, 2023.

        Removing a bishop is rare. One might ask what reprehensible thing Bishop Strickland had done, or what gigantic incompetence and mismanagement he had shown, during his tenure as shepherd of his flock.

        This question is specially germane in light of the dozens and dozens of bishops around the world who have been accused of moral and financial malfeasance and still occupy their seats in their cathedrals.

        The answer appears to be that he has been outspoken in defending the teachings of the Catholic Church, especially in moral matters, and most especially in sɛҳuąƖ matters.

        In liturgical matters, he has stood up for those wishing to continue to attend what Pope Benedict had termed the “extraordinary rite,” though Pope Francis has seemingly repudiated that terminology as he has sought to restrict and discourage the pre-Vatican II Mass, popularly termed the “Traditional Latin Mass.”

        Bishop Strickland said that he was unable to make it difficult for the faithful to attend traditional Masses because “I cannot let part of my flock die of hunger.”

        On November 9, two days before he received the news of his ouster, Bishop Strickland was reportedly asked to resign. He refused, believing, as he had said in a September 20 letter to the diocese, “I cannot resign as Bishop of Tyler because that would mean abandoning the flock entrusted to me by Pope Benedict XVI.”

        He added, “I have also said that I will respect the authority of Pope Francis if he removes me as Bishop of Tyler.”

        That letter had followed an apostolic visitation conducted at the direction of the Vatican by Bishop Dennis Sullivan of Camden and Bishop Emeritus Gerald Kicanas of Tucson, who made “an exhaustive inquiry into all aspects of the governance and leadership” of the Texas bishop and recommended that Strickland’s continuation in office was “not feasible,” Cardinal Daniel DiNardo of Houston said in a statement on November 11.

        The Vatican announcement did not provide a reason for the bishop’s removal.
        ***
        Here is some further background from other news reports:

        According to Courtney Mares of CNA (Catholic NewsAgency), “During Strickland’s 10-plus years at the helm of Tyler, the diocese experienced some noteworthy changes, such as the 2018 resignation of three diocesan officials, a move Strickland said at the time would position the diocese to best fulfill its mission.

        “But Strickland’s tenure has also coincided with positive signs of spiritual and administrative health in Tyler. Currently, 21 men are in priestly formation for the territory of 119,168 Catholics. The diocese is also reportedly in good financial shape, exemplified in part by its ability to raise 99% of its $2.3 million goal for the 2021 bishop’s appeal six months ahead of schedule.”

        According to the more progressive paper National Catholic Reporter, some Catholics in Strickland’s diocese felt the move to oust Strickland was “long overdue.”

        A disgruntled female employee of the diocese who had been laid off said, “People have been writing to the nuncio [Vatican ambassador] for years about [Strickland], all related to how he was running his diocese.”

        She did not like, she said, the tone and content of his X tweets about the direction of the Church.

        A diocesan priest who wished to remain anonymous said that in the apostolic visitation, questions had been asked about finances, outside clergy with irregular status welcomed into the diocese, and the bishop’s understanding of “the deposit of Faith.”

        The former editor of the diocesan newspaper accused Strickland of using “strident rhetoric and partisanship” in proposing traditional moral stances, which another priest called “unkind words” and an objectionable “certainty of his own righteousness.”

        No more precisely definable episcopal transgressions were mentioned.

        Perhaps even more nettling to some, especially in the Vatican, however, Bishop Strickland’s criticism — occasionally rather explicit — of Pope Francis.

        The bishop refused to go along with the Pope’s 100% support of Covid vaccines during and after the pandemic, and once questioned the Pope’s “undermining of the ‘deposit of faith.’” He has also criticized the Pope’s emphasis on climate change and seeming down-playing of the widespread embrace of governments of legal abortion of unborn babies, as well as efforts to make the Church more “welcoming” to people who identify themselves under the rubric of “LGBTQ” people.

        The coup de grâce might have been, however, Bishop Strickland’s evident disdain for the “synodality” movement in the Church.

        In a 2020 interview, he declared, “All this synodality is garbage as far as I’m concerned. It just is not living the truth.”

        And in an August 22, 2023 pastoral letter, Bishop Strickland predicted that many of the “basic truths” of the Catholic faith would be challenged during the October 2023 Synod on Synodality in Rome. He warned of an “evil and false message” that he said had “invaded” the Church. He also declared that the synod would reveal “the true schismatics.”

        Given Pope Francis’ insistence that synodality is “what God expects of the Church in the third millennium,” these words of Bishop Strickland’s might have been his biggest “sin” of all. —RM
    [Why was +Strickland fired?  (emphasis added)]

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    Re: Is Removal of Strickland An Act of Revenge?
    « Reply #13 on: November 18, 2023, 02:16:22 PM »
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  • One thing for sure that the New Order supposedly clergy know, they know that the peoples $$$ in Catholic Charities is supporting abortion and homophobia.  THEY KNOW!!  The Programs in "not" catholic charities, is federal grants. For the peoples every dollar, the feds give $$ as long as the programs are followed, to their agenda, which is not God.

    Stephanie Block researched deeply for many years and put together 5 books on just this subject and the Alsenky (sp) ways.  I knew of Stephanie Block decades ago when we both home schooled. And when I read fed. grants for AZ 1987-1990, it was Stephanie who educated me to look even deeper into the IAF, Industrial Areas Foundation.  

    All of New Order is demonic/satanically run and operated.  

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    Re: Is Removal of Strickland An Act of Revenge?
    « Reply #14 on: November 18, 2023, 02:41:43 PM »
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  • One thing for sure that the New Order supposedly clergy know, they know that the peoples $$$ in Catholic Charities is supporting abortion and homophobia.  THEY KNOW!!  The Programs in "not" catholic charities, is federal grants. For the peoples every dollar, the feds give $$ as long as the programs are followed, to their agenda, which is not God.

    Stephanie Block researched deeply for many years and put together 5 books on just this subject and the Alsenky (sp) ways.  I knew of Stephanie Block decades ago when we both home schooled. And when I read fed. grants for AZ 1987-1990, it was Stephanie who educated me to look even deeper into the IAF, Industrial Areas Foundation. 

    All of New Order is demonic/satanically run and operated. 
    Dear Songbird,
    Wow! Stephanie Block was part of our search for the true Catholic Church! Her research is premier and uncovers so much that is still hidden from the average pewsitter/donor in the novus order, including Ecclesia Dei churches.  All the money going to CCHD--THIS SUNDAY---is for everything bad.  There is no way for a parish to designate that money going to anything good--the local FSSP pastor tried it with the Diocese many years ago.  He is gone but the money keeps flowing to CCHD.  Not to mention the Fed giving $$$ billions to Catholic Charities for human trafficking from the borders.  Last time I checked, the American Catholic Church was the #1 recipient of taxpayer charity money.

    So, does that knowledge include a suspicion that their ordinations and consecrations might be suspect, if the central powers fund satanic organizations for decades?