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Offline Guga

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Is Pope Francis really humble?
« on: March 20, 2013, 08:42:58 PM »
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  • Is “Pope” Francis really humble?

    http://romancatholicworld.wordpress.com/2013/03/20/is-pope-francis-really-humble/


    The first thing that an authentically humble person does is to not bring attention to his or her humility.  But “Pope” Francis is determined to teach us a lesson on humility by running around Rome paying his own hotel bills—“with his own money”.  It appears that he does not understand that there is no such thing as a member of the Catholic clergy having “his own money”.  This is the money that has been given to the Church for more than 2,000 years by faithful Catholics– from the very poor to the very rich.

    But most important– since when does paying for your own hotel bill constitute an act of humility?

    Wasn’t the former Cardinal Bergoglio elevated to the papacy, so that he would try to save a Church whose hierarchy is in free fall—and to clean up the corruption that has infiltrated the Curia?  Now, that would be an act of humility for Holy Mother Church.

    Is humility a virtue?  St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas have something to say…

    Humility—“is sometimes done merely as to outward signs and pretense: wherefore this is “false humility,” of which Augustine says in a letter (Ep. cxlix) that it is “grievous pride,” … sometimes, however, this is done by an inward movement of the soul, and in this way, properly speaking, humility is reckoned a virtue, because virtue does not consist in externals…” – From Saint Thomas Aquinas’ Summa Theologica.

    In other words, humility is only authentic when it is internal– and not a public show.

    Humility and the Throne of Peter

    Humility, for someone who has been chosen as the successor of St. Peter, means that he must humbly accept and respect the traditions of the papacy.  This is not something that Bergoglio is willing to do.  In his quest to prove to the world that he is “humble”– he is actually showing that he is obstinate in his pride.

    Bergoglio’s “humble” display has more to do with bowing to the crowds of believers and non-believers and being “ecuмenically correct”— while refusing to genuflect in the presence of Christ at the altar, as we have witnessed during this past week.  Is this not a reflection of a man full of pride in the presence of God?

    Popes throughout the ages have expressed their humility, without jumping off  the Throne of Saint Peter, as if it were a carousel, as Bergoglio has done during this past week.

    Popes throughout the ages have cared for and were loved by millions of poor Catholics around the world, while wearing the traditional red papal shoes—which represent the blood on Christ’s feet as he was beaten and whipped, during every step he took down the Via Dolorosa to face his death by crucifixion.  These red papal shoes represent the Pope’s true humble submission to the divine authority of Jesus Christ—something Bergoglio is refusing to do.

    Reprehensible misinformation:  the elephant in the room

    There are hundreds of comments being made by the Catholic and secular media about Francis’  humility,  concern for the poor and about his opposition to abortion– and the fact that he prays to the Virgin Mary.  But his lack of authentic humility before the Throne of Peter is treated like radioactive material.

    Imagine that– a Cardinal who is pro-life, concerned for the poor and prays to the Mother of Christ!  How impressive is that!

    The fact that this is being reported as ‘big news’ by Catholics, is further evidence of the low expectations and lack of proper formation in the modernist world of Vatican II.

    Then, there is the absolute reprehensible reporting of misinformation about the former Cardinal Bergoglio and his so-called opposition to gαy marriage—when in fact he supported ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ civil unions—until the Argentinian Episcopate gave him an ultimatum and told him to go out and start confronting the issue.

    I have been following the press in various languages, including what is written by mainstream vaticanisti—and I have carefully noted how they avoid this elephant in the room.

    On service to the poor

    The Roman Catholic Church has been caring for the poor for more than 2,000 years—until Vatican II came along and started pilfering the coffers that were  intended for works of charity, and for taking the message of Christ’s love and Divinity to the ends of the earth.

    Vatican II and its administrators, to a great extent, have spent a tremendous amount of the Church’s money on socialist indoctrination and immoral causes, including the scandalous cover-up of pederasty committed by ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ members of the clergy.  At the very least, Francis has been an advocate of the modernist socialist agenda in the Church, under the disguise of “social justice”.

    Of course there have been works of charity done under Vatican II—but they have been greatly diminished by the loss of donations and by the exodus of Catholics who are feeling disoriented and abandoned, after 50 years of socialist and progressive experimentation coming out of Rome.

    In the name of “social justice and “interfaith dialogue” –the architects of the Vatican II agenda and their traveling companions, have essentially opened the package, stolen the money and resealed the package with bogus contents.

    Indeed, this will be “a poor Church for the poor” as Francis recently stated—and let’s not forget that this is a man who claims to speak the language of the poor, so it is disingenuous to, all of a sudden, turn his words into mystical messages beyond our grasp.

    Bergoglio means what he says—and if he has it his way, it will be a Church with her flock wandering aimlessly amidst the ruins.


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    Is Pope Francis really humble?
    « Reply #1 on: March 22, 2013, 07:07:05 AM »
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    In other words, humility is only authentic when it is internal– and not a public show.


    The man of today doesn't understand true humility and that's why Francis' false humility (creating a public persona of being humble) passes as true humility.

    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil


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    Is Pope Francis really humble?
    « Reply #2 on: March 22, 2013, 08:17:59 AM »
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  • Avoiding the Cross or any invocation of Christ also seems to be part of Francis' "humility".

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    As he concluded a Saturday morning meeting with some of the thousands of reporters who have been covering the papal transition, Francis said he would bless the group, but out of respect for their differences would not make the sign of the cross over the gathering. "Given that many of you do not belong to the Catholic Church, (and) others are nonbelievers, I give this blessing from my heart, in silence, to each of you, respecting the conscience of each one, but knowing that each of you is a child of God," he said, to applause.


    Huff Post article
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

    Offline RomanCatholic1953

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    Is Pope Francis really humble?
    « Reply #3 on: March 22, 2013, 10:14:09 AM »
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  • Pope Francis is an example of false humility, similar in what Liberals
    and Socialists like to parade in front of the mass media to deceive the
    sheeple.
    With the sheeple so dumb down today, thy will certainly buy it.
    They will not only buy it, but will accept all the false and anti Catholic
    teachings on the top of it.

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    Is Pope Francis really humble?
    « Reply #4 on: March 22, 2013, 12:03:39 PM »
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  • I think the idea is to try to pass off a more secular priesthood, where being Pope isn't anything special, as humility.


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    Is Pope Francis really humble?
    « Reply #5 on: March 22, 2013, 12:09:11 PM »
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  • I'm actually quite touched by some of these people putting their hopes in Francis.  They will say things as "his humility is extreme."

    I worry about them, especially those of them raised traditional, that if they are disillusioned with Francis it will shake their Faith.

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    Is Pope Francis really humble?
    « Reply #6 on: March 22, 2013, 12:17:46 PM »
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  • Unfortunately, the double-talk of the trad movement has caused very grave problems and a terrible misapprehension of what the most serious problems are.

    This idea that the mass and a few passages of Vatican II are the basic problems, the basic reason for the existence of the Traditional movement.  

    That is simply not true.  People joined the Traditional movement for the reasons Archbishop Lefebvre outlined.

    The abandonment of the Faith by the conciliar hierarchy.

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    Is Pope Francis really humble?
    « Reply #7 on: March 22, 2013, 01:58:02 PM »
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  • The liberals, socialist imposters which has infiltrated and corrupted the Church uses false poverty and humilty to promote thier true evil agenda.  For example, the evil novus ordo american nuns on the buses cry out about social and economic justice when in reality they are pushing for women priests and worse.  Then you learn that one of these liberal novus ordo nuns are making over a million dollars in salary and benefits in America.  

    In South Jersey,  it was said that the novus ordo past bishop was the most pro life bishop in the whole usa.  And yet Galante and camden diocese allowed nun on the bus to talk in Camden ,NJ .   They talk ...and do the minimum.  They talk and do the opposite.  All talk no action.  

    And for poverty.  Those in Rome need to sell off the False gods which include the golden buda and the scary looking statue from India.  Instead the true herectics are  selling off historical churches, relics and schools.  


     


    May God bless you and keep you


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    Is Pope Francis really humble?
    « Reply #8 on: March 22, 2013, 07:43:53 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    I think the idea is to try to pass off a more secular priesthood, where being Pope isn't anything special, as humility.


    If the Office of the Pope is nothing special than the Vicar of Christ on
    earth is also nothing special.

    This is the way that modernists think and believe.

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    Is Pope Francis really humble?
    « Reply #9 on: March 26, 2013, 06:15:06 PM »
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  • Humble, I don't know.

    He does come off as "Holier than Thou."  He is definitely holier than me, that's for sure.

    Anyway, I wish he'd just humble his Jesuit ego and provide the Papacy more dignity.  Or he could have turned down the office.

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    « Reply #10 on: March 26, 2013, 10:29:49 PM »
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    Humble, I don't know.

    He does come off as "Holier than Thou."  He is definitely holier than me, that's for sure.

    Anyway, I wish he'd just humble his Jesuit ego and provide the Papacy more dignity.  Or he could have turned down the office.


    One has to wonder what office he actually did accept.
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil


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    Is Pope Francis really humble?
    « Reply #11 on: March 26, 2013, 11:02:34 PM »
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  • Indeed, his humility never seems to go to waste without a photo op to docuмent it.

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    « Reply #12 on: March 27, 2013, 11:13:17 AM »
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  • Failure to have a Twitter account passes for humility these days.

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    Is Pope Francis really humble?
    « Reply #13 on: March 29, 2013, 03:10:38 AM »
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    Pope Francis is determined to teach us a lesson on humility by running around Rome paying his own hotel bills—“with his own money”.  It appears that he does not understand that there is no such thing as a member of the Catholic clergy having “his own money”.


    Diocesan priests aren't required to take a vow of poverty.  They are allowed to own property and cars.

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    since when does paying for your own hotel bill constitute an act of humility?


    Humility is linked to modesty and being respectful.  It means being humble or grounded.

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    Is humility a virtue?  St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas have something to say…

    Humility—“is sometimes done merely as to outward signs and pretense: wherefore this is “false humility,” of which Augustine says in a letter (Ep. cxlix) that it is “grievous pride,” … sometimes, however, this is done by an inward movement of the soul, and in this way, properly speaking, humility is reckoned a virtue, because virtue does not consist in externals…” – From Saint Thomas Aquinas’ Summa Theologica.

    In other words, humility is only authentic when it is internal– and not a public show.


    Humility is connected to the cardinal virtue of temperance.  Being humble or modest is restraining one's desires.  St. Thomas Aquinas defines humility as "the virtue of humility" that "consists in keeping oneself within one's own bounds, not reaching out to things above one, but submitting to one's superior." (Summa Contra Gent., bk. IV, ch. lv)

    According to the words of St. James, "God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble" (Proverbs 3:34, 1Peter 5:5, James 4:6)

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    Humility, for someone who has been chosen as the successor of St. Peter, means that he must humbly accept and respect the traditions of the papacy.  This is not something that Bergoglio is willing to do.  In his quest to prove to the world that he is “humble”– he is actually showing that he is obstinate in his pride.


    Your reasoning is quite twisted.  Leading a humble life is the exact opposite of being guilty of pride.  Instead of being chauffeured he took public transportation.  Instead of a personal chef or eating often at fancy restaurants he prepared his own simple meals.

    Maybe he was playing the ultimate long con.  Pretend to be humble his entire life by living a simple life free from many modern conveniences.  Once elected pope, continue to do the same.  Right... pride.

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    Popes throughout the ages have expressed their humility, without jumping off  the Throne of Saint Peter, as if it were a carousel, as Bergoglio has done during this past week.

    Popes throughout the ages have cared for and were loved by millions of poor Catholics around the world, while wearing the traditional red papal shoes—which represent the blood on Christ’s feet as he was beaten and whipped, during every step he took down the Via Dolorosa to face his death by crucifixion.  These red papal shoes represent the Pope’s true humble submission to the divine authority of Jesus Christ—something Bergoglio is refusing to do.


    I forgot where in the Bible Jesus says the throne of St. Peter must be a gaudy, golden seat of excess.  Red shoes are one thing, but fancy designer Prada shoes are the opposite of humble.  It's on the tip of my tongue...

    Some traditions can be changed.  Thankfully things like the sedia gestatoria and papal tiara are no longer used.  If Jesus were physically here today he would probably sell most of the Vatican and give it to the poor.  The Church has needed a pope more like Jesus for a long time and now the man's virtues are being irrationally labeled vices.  You sir (or madam) are out of touch and blind to reality.

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    « Reply #14 on: March 29, 2013, 03:31:30 AM »
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    In other words, humility is only authentic when it is internal– and not a public show.


    The man of today doesn't understand true humility and that's why Francis' false humility (creating a public persona of being humble) passes as true humility.



    Humility also involves courage, because it is necessarily in conformity with the truth.

    This V2 Pope Francis is not humble or brave when he goes to a jail and washes and kisses, in a disgusting and groveling manner, the feet of atheists and Muslims. I saw that event from a link on the Drudge Report. They were also playing this syrupy V2 music in the background.