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Re: Is Leo XIV a valid Pope?
« Reply #75 on: Yesterday at 01:49:01 PM »
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  • I would agree with this mostly.  However, there is one tweet that states JD Vance is wrong about ranking our love.  I seem to recall a thread about this here (or somewhere else).  Theologians teach that there is a hierarchy of love.  We are not expected to love the immigrant as we are to love our mother (for example).
    True. And let's not forget the vast difference between LEGAL immigrants who waited their turn in line (often for 10 years) vs. law-breakers who broke our laws to enter.

    And let us further differentiate between those who broke our laws to enter and those who broke in as part of a murderous child sex-trafficking gang, many of whom who have raped and murdered both in their own country and also here.
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    Re: Is Leo XIV a valid Pope?
    « Reply #76 on: Yesterday at 01:52:35 PM »
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  • However much one might disagree with his stances as expressed in these tweets, these are all debatable secular matters which do not touch on the deposit of faith.  Nothing he says in these tweets is contra fidem.
    What you say about the posts may be true. However we also have other sources of information about Prevost covering up for predator priests, both in Peru and here in the US at both a high school and an elementary school. And then he attempted to coverup his coverup, with the assistance of his pal Bergolio.
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    Re: Is Leo XIV a valid Pope?
    « Reply #77 on: Yesterday at 04:00:10 PM »
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    Re: Is Leo XIV a valid Pope?
    « Reply #78 on: Yesterday at 04:35:29 PM »
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  • I actually got into an argument with a SEDEVACANTIST relative this past weekend about Leo, where I was rebuked for not being "chawitable" and ... "don't you believe that the Holy Ghost could change a man?" etc. etc.

    That demonstrates how far-reaching this propaganda and talking points have gone.

    Well, the more then try to shut me down with fake appeals to "cha-wity", the more I'm going to shout.

    Bergoglio, extending the wolf metaphor, just crashed into the sheep's pen wearing the cheap Walmart mask of a sheep that almost anyone with eyesight (of faith) could see right through.  Leo's putting on a slightly better costume ... went to one of those specialty costume stores.  So it's precisely BECAUSE he's more subtle and stealthy that we need to be LOUDER in denouncing him.  "Look.  That's a wolf.  Wake up.  He's a wolf."

    I also had to explain to this SV Trad that judging their actions and their theology has absolutely NOTHING to do with "cha-wity" and "nitheness".  I pray for Prevost, that he convert, and of course the Holy Ghost can change a man.  That has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH what he has NOW and what he stands for NOW and whether it's to be praised or condemned.  If next week he decides to abolish the Vatican II religion, then glory to God.  But in the meantime, not only has he said that he's fully committed to V2 and going "forward" (codeward for rejecting any notion of returning to Tradition), but he's also fully endorsed the direction that Bergoglio has set.  EXPLICITLY.  IN HIS WORDS.

    So, anyone who's at least slightly conservative might say, "Well, I fully support Vatican II" but then remain silent about Bergoglio's legacy while planning to make some course corrections, realizing that Berg had veered off somewhat too far to the Left.

    Make no mistake about it.  Jorge would NOT have promoted this guy to being one of the most powerful men in the Church (selecting bishops) if he had not been 1000% in lockstep with Bergoglio's agenda.
    Lad why are you surprised? Most sedes actually believe the same theology of Vatican 2 since they believe non-Catholics are somehow secretly members of the Church and can be saved, outside by the Church, or in the state of ignorance.

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    Re: Is Leo XIV a valid Pope?
    « Reply #79 on: Yesterday at 04:39:55 PM »
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  • I would agree with this mostly.  However, there is one tweet that states JD Vance is wrong about ranking our love.  I seem to recall a thread about this here (or somewhere else).  Theologians teach that there is a hierarchy of love.  We are not expected to love the immigrant as we are to love our mother (for example).
    Yes I think American Reformer on twitter is the one who posts the healthy racism Catholic quotes. We are allowed to love our own people more than people who are not our people. And our own nations can priority their people over not our people, we just can't put our own people first before God or hate others due to our love for our own.


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    Re: Is Leo XIV a valid Pope?
    « Reply #80 on: Yesterday at 05:25:52 PM »
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  • I would agree with this mostly.  However, there is one tweet that states JD Vance is wrong about ranking our love.  I seem to recall a thread about this here (or somewhere else).  Theologians teach that there is a hierarchy of love.  We are not expected to love the immigrant as we are to love our mother (for example).

    It's a case of "both/and".  We must love all men as ourselves, but it is only natural to love those closest to us "more", for lack of a better way of putting it.  Neither Leo nor Vance are wrong, it's just coming at the same question from two different angles.

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    Re: Is Leo XIV a valid Pope?
    « Reply #81 on: Yesterday at 06:04:03 PM »
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  • Lad why are you surprised? Most sedes actually believe the same theology of Vatican 2 since they believe non-Catholics are somehow secretly members of the Church and can be saved, outside by the Church, or in the state of ignorance.

    OK, but that's a different line of thinking.  It's true that only a tiny percentage of Traditional Catholics understand the actual theological root cause problem with Vatican II.

    But to have a sedevacantist fooled by the incredibly minor outward tokens of "not hating Traditional practice with a passion" ... that takes it to a new level.