Author Topic: Is Jesus immortal or Eternal ? (Read 2982 times)

Trad121 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 10, 2012, 09:18:44 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

his divine nature took on a human nature at his incarnation, so too his mortal human nature took on immortality at his resurrection, and we are promised the same thing at the resurrection of the dead.

It is not the nature that took flesh, it is the Person of the Word, otherwise all Persons who share that nature would have taken the flesh.

If the nature took flesh, it would be a new and different nature. But the Person who possess the nature took the flesh, and thus the two natures coexist unchanged within the unity of Person (the Hypostatic Union).

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The Father is not the Son, and the Son is not the Holy Ghost, and the Holy Ghost is not the Father.

Right, this is a distinction between the Persons who all share the same substance and nature.

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Jesus is NOT one in being with the Father.
Jesus IS consubstantial with the Father.

Consubstantial means "of the same substance". Not "of a like substance". If they are of the same substance, then they share the same nature, the same being.

Their is only one God, only one divine nature, only one divine being. And in this one Divine Being there are three Persons who share that same nature and being. Saying they are not of the same [divine, supreme] being means that there are more than one God.

Put it this way: How many supreme beings do Catholic believe in?

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I think you may be right, nobody has mentioned that the human nature of Jesus was created.

Yes.

Quote from: The Nicean Creed

I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, born of the Father, that is of the substance of the Father; God of God, light of light, true God of true God; begotten, not made; consubstantial with the Father, but Greeks say homousion, by Whom all things were made, both those in Heaven and those on Earth.

Who for us men, and for our salvation, [/b]came down from Heaven, and was incarnate, and was made man. He suffered. And the third day, He arose again, and ascended into Heaven. He shall come again, to judge the living and the dead. And in the Holy Ghost.

And those who say there once was when he was not, and before he was begotten he was not, and that he came to be from things that were not, or from another hypostasis or substance, affirming that the Son of God is subject to change or alteration these the Catholic and Apostolic Church anathematizes.

The Person of the Word is not created. The human nature He took to Himself is.

Trad121 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 10, 2012, 10:46:39 AM »

Quote from: Jitpring

Doesn't immortality imply creation? Souls are created and immortal. Yet Jesus is uncreated and is thus eternal.

God the Word is an eternal spirit, eternally begotten of the eternal Father. But He took a human nature. We know by Catholic Faith that this nature was a true human nature. As such it is a created nature.

Therefore Jesus Christ has a human body and a human soul. This union of flesh and spirit is called man. Now this particular Man is the Person Jesus Christ, who possesses the spirit of God.

Jesus' human nature initially consisted of created mortal body and created immortal spirit.
His divine nature eternally consists solely of spirit.

The Person of the Word, then, possess human body, human spirit, and divine spirit.

His human soul was mortal, and thus able to be separated from his body by death.

But His eternal, divine and immortal spirit was united hypostatically and inseparably to his human body and his human soul. Thus in death, the body of Jesus, the corporeal part of his human nature, though dead and devoid of a human soul, was still united to the divine and ever living spirit of God, in the unity of Person we call the Hypostatic Union.

Thus God died, not in His divine nature, but in his human flesh. The Person of the Word died bodily (His body and soul were separated) for our sins.

The human soul of Jesus, which preached to the spirits that were in prison, was not dead, but as all human souls, was created immortal in time. It too was united inseparably to the divine spirit of God in the Person of the Word.

In the resurrection, Christ put off his bodily mortality. Christ is now and forever more immortal in His created human flesh.

Malleus 01 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 10, 2012, 02:46:03 PM »

Isnt it interesting that all the Early Heresies revolved around the Divinity of Christ?

Trad121 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 10, 2012, 03:07:28 PM »

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His human soul was mortal, and thus able to be separated from his body by death.

Correction: His human soul was immortal, but able to be separated from His body by His bodily death.

Trad121 · « **Reply #14 on:** May 10, 2012, 03:09:07 PM »

All human souls are immortal and will live forever in one of two places. Death of the body is not death of the soul, but the soul's release from the body.