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Is It Possible to Pin Down a Dual Thinker?
« on: January 16, 2014, 02:18:04 PM »
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  • In the CI thread entitled "Quotes that BODers Say Must Not be Understood as Written"  ( http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Quotes-that-BODers-Say-Must-Not-be-Understood-as-Written ) I posted 4 pages of clear dogmatic decrees which the Orwellian double-think Heroin BODers here on CI say are not to be understood as they are written. FOUR PAGES of just quotes!

    I ask, is it possible to reason with any of these people to whom words have no meaning? After all, if to them, ALL those CLEARLY WORDED DOGMATIC decrees do not mean what they say, then how can we convince them of anything? Words have no meaning to these people.

    Here's just one example:

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    Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439, ex cathedra: “Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.– But the Catholic faith is this, that we worship one God in the Trinity, and the Trinity in unity... Therefore let him who wishes to be saved, think thus concerning the Trinity. “But it is necessary for eternal salvation that he faithfully believe also in the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ...the Son of God is God and man...– This is the Catholic faith; unless each one believes this faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved.”


    A Heroin BODer (fallible opinion) mind:

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    From LaGrange's book Life Everlasting, under the chapter "The Number of The Elect" is the following:

    ..."Further, among non-Christians (Jєωs, Mohammedans, pagans) there are souls which are elect.  Jєωs and Mohammedans not only admit monotheism, but retain fragments of promitive revelation and of Mosaic revelation.  They believe in a God who is a supernatural rewarder, and can thus, with the aid of grace, make an act of contrition.  And even for pagans, who live in invincible, involuntary ignorance of the true religion, and who still attempt to observe the natural law, supernatural aids are offered, by means known to God.  These, as Pius IX says, can arrive at salvation.  God never commands the impossible.  To him who does what is in his power God does not refuse grace."


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    Is It Possible to Pin Down a Dual Thinker?
    « Reply #1 on: January 16, 2014, 07:08:47 PM »
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    Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439, ex cathedra: “Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.– But the Catholic faith is this, that we worship one God in the Trinity, and the Trinity in unity... Therefore let him who wishes to be saved, think thus concerning the Trinity. “But it is necessary for eternal salvation that he faithfully believe also in the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ...the Son of God is God and man...– This is the Catholic faith; unless each one believes this faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved.”


    Clear teaching infallible taught by the Holy Ghost through Pope Eugene IV.

    Now on CI, Lover of Truth, a rabid defender of salvation for anyone in any false religion, even if they have not Catholic Faith, created a thread entitled:

    "Definition of Faith for the Dogma Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus", and you guessed it, his "faith" is not the Catholic Faith described dogmatically above. In fact it contains no mention of this dogmatic quote.

    Lover of Truth thinks that we had to wait 1950 years to learn what Catholic Faith is, 1950 years waiting for him to reveal to us "the code".


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    Is It Possible to Pin Down a Dual Thinker?
    « Reply #2 on: January 16, 2014, 07:11:48 PM »
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  • Why not experiment and find out?

    JayneK posts at SD nowadays.