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Is it a sin to attend a NO church where CitH occurs?
« on: April 18, 2013, 11:37:47 AM »
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  • Yes it is.................

    .........Before going any further, we express our frustration and embarrassment that it should be necessary to argue against a grave desecration of the Holy Eucharist. Equally, it is inconceivable that neither the Pope, nor any of the cardinals, nor any of the bishops has not made a great issue of this matter. We say that every cleric who allows the practice of Communion in the hand to occur in his presence, whether he be the minister, or merely a witness to it, shares in the guilt of the sin-even though there is a serious question as to the validity of the consecration in the New Mass. And this practice, by itself, is sacrilegious enough that no Catholic is permitted to be present where it occurs, this regardless of whether the New Mass is, as we insist, a sacrilege. We might add, it is the sacrilegious nature of the New Mass, which leaves us incapable of greater indignation against this and all the other attendant desecrations, which are integral to the Conciliar liturgy.

    The chief argument against Communion in the hand is in what has happened as a result of it. Everyone knows that the Host has been treated with gravest irreverence. It has been found on the floor in the churches, swept up and vacuumed by the cleaning-person, stuck to the underseat of the pews with the chewing gum, in boys' trouser-pockets at the dry-cleaners', in women's purses and men's coat-pockets, having been forgotten for weeks. This abuse and its predictable results has continued for a number of years now. In this desecration is the clear proof that in the Conciliar Religion, the people are more important than the Body of Christ: the Host must be degraded so that they might not be degraded. The Conciliarists really think that it is an offense to man's dignity to require that he kneel before the Blessed Sacrament and receive His God on his tongue. In this practice we have proof that the Conciliar Church wants this desecration, since there was never any need for its commencement, no positive benefit has come from it, no attempt is made to stop its concomitant abuses, and only irreverence is the bad fruit of it.

    In one's thoughts on this subject, one cannot help speculate what must have been the mode and manner of the "conservative" bishops in their various national conferences, when this signal abuse was being insistently proposed by the Liberals, one year after another, until they obtained their precious majority vote. Why did they tolerate the proposal for a minute, or sit still for the arguments? Why did any one of them submit to the majority? Was there a single one of them, the whole world over, who recognized in it an issue over which "to draw the line," saying: "No. Some of your innovations I can tolerate, inane and irreligious as they are, just for the sake of peace. But Communion in the hand is an open, undeniable, deliberate attack on the Blessed Eucharist. In the Pre-Conciliar Church, the Missale Romanum, the Rituale, and the Code of Canon Law all had many, many directives for the protection of the Sacred Species from the least violation or carelessness. You men are forcefully agitating and demanding a practice whose only conceivable purpose must be a worse irreverence than the laws ever contemplated. I will never allow this practice in my diocese, and if Holy See commands me to accept it, I will resign."...........

    - Fr. Wathen: Who Shall Ascend?





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    « Reply #1 on: April 18, 2013, 01:05:50 PM »
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  • Excellent post!



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    « Reply #2 on: April 18, 2013, 01:13:07 PM »
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  • The bishops who stood still while CitH was proposed were probably men who thought other people had the best intentions even though they were proposing bad ideas.

    The advocates for CitH wanted Our Lord downgraded.  Dignity downgraded is dignity denied.  

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    « Reply #3 on: April 18, 2013, 01:18:19 PM »
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    I just recently got my hands on Who Shall Ascend? and am finding myself cheering out loud at some of what he wrote in there!

    I'm up to about page 450 and finding myself disappointed that there's only a few hundred pages left!
    I say that it is licit to resist the Roman Pontiff by not doing what he orders and by impeding the execution of his will; it is not licit, however, to judge, punish or depose him, since these are acts proper to a superior." St. Robert Bellarmine

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    « Reply #4 on: April 18, 2013, 01:22:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    The bishops who stood still while CitH was proposed were probably men who thought other people had the best intentions even though they were proposing bad ideas.

    The advocates for CitH wanted Our Lord downgraded.  Dignity downgraded is dignity denied.  



    There are two reasons why there were no such bishops [against CiTH], not even one. One, our bishops are carefully groomed, dyed-in-the-wool, certified traitors. Two, any one of them would most assuredly have been required to surrender his diocese by the Pope himself for resisting this abuse, and every bishop knew it. - Who Shall Ascend?
    I say that it is licit to resist the Roman Pontiff by not doing what he orders and by impeding the execution of his will; it is not licit, however, to judge, punish or depose him, since these are acts proper to a superior." St. Robert Bellarmine


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    « Reply #5 on: April 18, 2013, 01:51:59 PM »
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  • In his sig, Stubborn said:
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    Intra Ecclesiam Conciliariam Nulla Salus  (There is no salvation within the Conciliar Church)


    I think this is wrong. There are little children in the conciliar Church who can be saved.
    In a Station of the Metro
    The apparition of these faces in the crowd;
    Petals on a wet, black bough.

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    « Reply #6 on: April 18, 2013, 02:02:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
    In his sig, Stubborn said:
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    Intra Ecclesiam Conciliariam Nulla Salus  (There is no salvation within the Conciliar Church)


    I think this is wrong. There are little children in the conciliar Church who can be saved.


    I think the very best way to summarize this is to say that little children can be saved despite being in the concilliar church but no one can be saved by concilliarism.

    Concilliarism is truly a wretched heresy.  Or is it an apostasy?  In the concilliar church they go around saying things like "We are church" and "you are the only sacrament many people will ever see."  Isn't a sacrament a outward symbol, established by Christ, to give grace?  

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    « Reply #7 on: April 18, 2013, 02:04:03 PM »
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    I think the very best way to summarize this is to say that little children can be saved despite being in the concilliar church but no one can be saved by concilliarism.


    I can agree to this.

    I wonder what will happen to the pants-wearing, head-uncovered, female extraordinary ministers in the after-life.
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    « Reply #8 on: April 18, 2013, 02:39:04 PM »
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    I think the very best way to summarize this is to say that little children can be saved despite being in the concilliar church but no one can be saved by concilliarism.


    I can agree to this.

    I wonder what will happen to the pants-wearing, head-uncovered, female extraordinary ministers in the after-life.


    In my last post, I did want to say that there are some novus ordites who are still "unhatched".  They will discover on their own, or it will be a whisper in their ear, the Traditional Latin Mass.

    As for the pant wearing, uncovered head woman...  we must pray for her to embrace the Catholic Faith and leave it in God's hands.  

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    « Reply #9 on: April 18, 2013, 02:45:42 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
    In his sig, Stubborn said:
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    Intra Ecclesiam Conciliariam Nulla Salus  (There is no salvation within the Conciliar Church)


    I think this is wrong. There are little children in the conciliar Church who can be saved.



    There are little kids in Prot churches too - if they are baptized and then die before they reach the age of reason they can be saved too........no dif in the NO.

    It's just that I've been involved as a trad my whole life and never heard of "Intra Ecclesiam Conciliariam Nulla Salus" till just today as I was reading "Who Shall Ascend?" - it struck me as saying an awful lot in less than a breath so I added it to my sig - and I will say the depth and clarity of his explanation in his book leaves no room for the slightest doubt whatsoever, there is no more salvation within the conciliar church than there is any church outside the Catholic Church.

    I could  - and probably will when the opportunity arises - post some of the pertinent explanations but I'm afraid the whole thing would need to be posted to do it justice, but that would mean posting too many pages.

    Any way, it's an awesome book, well worth reading!







    I say that it is licit to resist the Roman Pontiff by not doing what he orders and by impeding the execution of his will; it is not licit, however, to judge, punish or depose him, since these are acts proper to a superior." St. Robert Bellarmine

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    « Reply #10 on: April 18, 2013, 02:56:41 PM »
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  • Maybe I shall read Who Shall Ascend too. I really liked the audio content on Father Wathen's website that you showed me. That reminds me, I should listen to more of the radio shows. There are so many.
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    « Reply #11 on: April 18, 2013, 03:07:21 PM »
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  • Yes, his recordings are awesome. This book is totally awesome.

    I got the PDF version - best $15 I've spent in a very long time.

    Scroll down a bit - mine showed up in 4 days.
    http://revisionisthistorystore.blogspot.com/2010/03/hoffmans-revisionist-history-store-pdf.html
    I say that it is licit to resist the Roman Pontiff by not doing what he orders and by impeding the execution of his will; it is not licit, however, to judge, punish or depose him, since these are acts proper to a superior." St. Robert Bellarmine

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    « Reply #12 on: April 18, 2013, 03:13:40 PM »
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  • Where is the best place to buy this book?

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    « Reply #13 on: April 18, 2013, 03:19:39 PM »
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  • They used to have it on http://www.fatherwathen.com/ but I don't see it there now........I guess do a Google search or maybe try Amazon.

    I'm in front of the screen almost all day so for me, the PDF works great.
    I say that it is licit to resist the Roman Pontiff by not doing what he orders and by impeding the execution of his will; it is not licit, however, to judge, punish or depose him, since these are acts proper to a superior." St. Robert Bellarmine

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    « Reply #14 on: April 18, 2013, 08:14:50 PM »
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  • http://www.fatherwathen.com/
     
    Yes, it's an invaluable website.  It was planning on putting the book back into print in hardcover by the end of this last year.  Something must have happened.  It's difficult to find, but I did find it on Amazon.com.  "The Great Sacrilege", however, is a quick read and easy to obtain, and is also critical to have in one's library.    
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