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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Is Francis the Pope?
« Reply #45 on: December 29, 2019, 01:25:22 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on December 29, 2019, 10:28:13 AM
When was the 2nd edition published?




1st: 1979. 2nd: 1993.



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Then of course the SSPX has sneakily been modifying other books toward the same end (eg., no longer including active participation in the NOM in the examination of conscience of Christian Warfare, while injecting the conciliar Divine Mercy devotion into the same revision.  Meanwhile, it’s German bookstores sell materials by Ratzinger, Schneider, and even von Balthasar (while other volumes omit the “St.” title from the books by saints, etc).

Is Poche giving lessons to the SSPX in altering texts?
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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Is Francis the Pope?
« Reply #46 on: December 29, 2019, 01:49:03 PM »

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…The new rite of ordination uses an unquestionably valid centuries old sacramental form that was eventually discarded in favour of the one form which became standard throughout the Latin Patriarchate. …


"unquestionably"?  The validity has been questioned, so the use of "unquestionably" is risible.

"centuries old"? Sounds like more self-serving, pseudo-antiquarian agitprop to me.
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Offline Don Paolo

Re: Is Francis the Pope?
« Reply #47 on: January 01, 2020, 04:11:12 PM »
《The validity has been questioned, so the use of "unquestionably" is risible.》

Mark 79 is risible, because his doubt is a mere negative doubt, and is therefore worthless. A researcher who was sent to Rome investigate the history of the rite of ordination; explained to me that he was able to find the docuмentary proof that there were three variant formulae used as the form of the sacrament during the Middle Ages: one with "ut", one with "et", and one with an ";", and no conjunction. The form of the sacrament of priestly ordination is not a novel formula; and it does express the intention to confer the priesthood, which suffices ad validitatem.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Is Francis the Pope?
« Reply #48 on: January 01, 2020, 04:14:44 PM »
Quote from: Don Paolo on January 01, 2020, 04:11:12 PM
A researcher who was sent to Rome investigate the history of the rite of ordination; explained to me that he was able to find the docuмentary proof that there were three variant formulae used as the form of the sacrament during the Middle Ages: one with "ut", one with "et", and one with an ";", and no conjunction. 

That would be a very important find.  Could someone actually publish these findings?  Until then, we can't go by the word of some anonymous "researcher".
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Offline Don Paolo

Re: Is Francis the Pope?
« Reply #49 on: January 01, 2020, 04:34:59 PM »
I don't want to mention the researcher's name without his permission. He found the books containing the docuмentary evidence in the Anselmianum library.
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