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Offline King Wenceslas

Re: Is Francis the Pope?
« Reply #30 on: December 28, 2019, 05:40:18 PM »
Quote from: sedevacantist3 on December 28, 2019, 12:29:12 PM
At the end of the day a non catholic can not be head of the Catholic Church , when others ridicule the sede position (not you) we must point this out, that they believe someone who doesn’t profess the Catholic faith is their pope

So you, with power granted by Christ, have hereby decided that Francis is not a Catholic?

Where is the hierarchy in your line of thinking?
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Offline SoldierOfChrist

Re: Is Francis the Pope?
« Reply #31 on: December 28, 2019, 06:12:30 PM »
Is Francis’ heresy not public, obstinate, and pertinacious? 

Has he not clearly gotten his heretical messages across, as well as his understanding that his teachings are heretical, and that whenever they are ambiguous in meaning, that he means for them to be understood in an heretical sense?

Can a pope teach heresy?

Under canon law, can a pope be coerced into validly resigning?

Can a pope validly resign part of his ministry, but not the other, effectively expanding the office of the papacy to include two individuals?

Has Francis made any indications that he sees himself as holding part of the office of the papacy, but not the other?

When the truth is obvious, are we to not believe our lying eyes out of some sense of charity or obedience?
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Offline Conspiracy_Factist

Re: Is Francis the Pope?
« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2019, 10:28:40 PM »
Quote from: King Wenceslas on December 28, 2019, 05:40:18 PM
So you, with power granted by Christ, have hereby decided that Francis is not a Catholic?

Where is the hierarchy in your line of thinking?
1. is your argument that Jewgorglio is actually a  Catholic?
2. are you implying  that if i apply the truth of a dogma that it' s my private interpretation
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Offline sedevacantist3

Re: Is Francis the Pope?
« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2019, 10:37:54 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on December 28, 2019, 12:32:46 PM
But that's just one position, the Bellarmine position (unless you're Salza or Siscoe).  Other theories hold that a non-Catholic (aka heretic) must be removed from office by the Church, and the sedeprivationist thesis that he formally ceases to be pope but then must be removed materially.  This is an oversimplification.
sedevacantists  say non catholic ceases to be  pope, even if he's physically there.....your position is non catholic , ceases to be pope and must be removed materially. at the end of the day you are saying he's not the pope ...the way he has to  be removed is another discussion is it not? Can't I hold the sedevacant  position and claim he must be removed materially for argument's sake.  Can you explain to me how sedevacantists differ exactly on the to be removed materially part?
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Offline poche

Re: Is Francis the Pope?
« Reply #34 on: December 29, 2019, 04:27:02 AM »
Quote from: sedevacantist3 on December 28, 2019, 10:37:54 PM
sedevacantists  say non catholic ceases to be  pope, even if he's physically there.....your position is non catholic , ceases to be pope and must be removed materially. at the end of the day you are saying he's not the pope ...the way he has to  be removed is another discussion is it not? Can't I hold the sedevacant  position and claim he must be removed materially for argument's sake.  Can you explain to me how sedevacantists differ exactly on the to be removed materially part?
From the Code of Canon Law;
Can.  1404 The First See is judged by no one.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P5A.HTM
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