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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Is Francis the Pope?
« Reply #35 on: December 29, 2019, 05:40:00 AM »
Quote from: poche on December 29, 2019, 04:27:02 AM
From the Code of Canon Law;
Can.  1404 The First See is judged by no one.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P5A.HTM

"But when Cephas was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed." Galatians 2:11

In saying Peter was blameworthy, did St. Paul judge the First See?
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Offline Don Paolo

Re: Is Francis the Pope?
« Reply #36 on: December 29, 2019, 09:50:49 AM »
If Songbird understood the teaching of Pope Leo XIII and the history of the ordination rite, he/she/it would know that the the new rite of ordination is valid.
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Is Francis the Pope?
« Reply #37 on: December 29, 2019, 10:05:02 AM »
Quote from: Don Paolo on December 29, 2019, 09:50:49 AM
If Songbird understood the teaching of Pope Leo XIII and the history of the ordination rite, he/she/it would know that the the new rite of ordination is valid.

Michael Davies’ book “The Order of Melchizedek” was always a bit of a mystery to me in this regard:

He repeatedly affirms the validity of the new rite, even as he draws, throughout the book, the analogy to the invalidating changes to the Anglican rite.

It always left me asking myself, “OK, so why bother to write the book?”

And if the answer were, “To put traditionalists at ease regarding the new rite,” then why trouble them by drawing the Anglican analogy (which is the general disturbance of soul produced by the book, despite Davies’ affirmation of validity)?

Again, why, then, bother to write the book?

Was he being coy, fearing to declare the rite invalid, but imparting to the reader the reasons it might be (despite his affirmation to the contrary)?  

Not sure.
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Offline Meg

Re: Is Francis the Pope?
« Reply #38 on: December 29, 2019, 10:07:11 AM »
Quote from: poche on December 29, 2019, 04:27:02 AM
From the Code of Canon Law;
Can.  1404 The First See is judged by no one.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P5A.HTM

This is from the NEW code of canon law, promulgated by JP2 in 1983, isn't that right?
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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Is Francis the Pope?
« Reply #39 on: December 29, 2019, 10:08:03 AM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on December 29, 2019, 10:05:02 AM
Michael Davies’ book “The Order of Melchizedek” was always a bit of a mystery to me in this regard:

He repeatedly affirms the validity of the new rite, even as he draws, throughout the book, the analogy to the invalidating changes to the Anglican rite.

It always left me asking myself, “OK, so why bother to write the book?”

And if the answer were, “To put traditionalists at ease regarding the new rite,” then why trouble them by drawing the Anglican analogy (which is the general disturbance of soul produced by the book, despite Davies’ affirmation of validity)?

Again, why, then, bother to write the book?

Was he being coy, fearing to declare the rite invalid, but imparting to the reader the reasons it might be (despite his affirmation to the contrary)?  

Not sure.
DID YOU READ THE FIRST OR SECOND EDITION?
It is reported that he drew different conclusions in the editions. I have tried to buy a FIRST edition, but, even when advertised as a FIRST edition, I received the second edition.
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