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Re: Is Francis the Pope?
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2019, 08:35:11 AM »
Sources and links are provided in my book, To Deceive the Elect, Volume One. Don Curzio in the cited passage treats of a specific point of doctrine, to wit, that the common opinion of theologians is that a valid pope cannot be a formal heretic. The article is posted on his website. He has not deviated from this position; and whether or not he has changed his position as a sedeprivationist is totally irrelevant to this point of doctrine. 

Offline Meg

Re: Is Francis the Pope?
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2019, 08:41:46 AM »
Sources and links are provided in my book, To Deceive the Elect, Volume One. Don Curzio in the cited passage treats of a specific point of doctrine, to wit, that the common opinion of theologians is that a valid pope cannot be a formal heretic. The article is posted on his website. He has not deviated from this position; and whether or not he has changed his position as a sedeprivationist is totally irrelevant to this point of doctrine.

Okay, so you cannot provide any link which says that Fr. Nitoglia has written what you say he's written, and that he still believes it. Got it.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Is Francis the Pope?
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2019, 08:47:45 AM »
NO

If you're a sedeprivationist, then the answer is ...

YES AND NO

Offline Mark 79

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Re: Is Francis the Pope?
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2019, 09:22:48 AM »
"And the gates of Hell shall not prevail against you" -Jesus to Peter
Another one of your phony "quotes," Jerk!

"And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Matthew 16:18

Consider Matthew 16:18 a fourth line of evidence against Jorge.

If Jorge is Pope, the gates of Hell have prevailed.







Re: Is Francis the Pope?
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2019, 09:29:39 AM »
The only thing you prove by your last comment, Meg, is that your mental capacity is somewhat limited. If you wish to verify the source of Don Curzio's passage I cited, I'll provide you with a clue (as I used to do for the less intelligent students hearing my theology lectures):

 «la prima opinione o meglio l’antecedente, che è quella insegnata comunemente come la più probabile dalla maggior parte dei teologi e dei Dottori: S. Roberto Bellarmino, Francisco Suarez, Melchior Cano, Domingo Soto, Giovanni da San Tommaso, Juan de Torquemada, Louis Billot, Joachim Salaverri, A. Maria Vellico, Charles Journet (ed anche il Gaetano non citato dal Da Silveira, ma lo dimostra mons. Vittorio Mondello, ne La dottrina del Gaetano sul Romano Pontefice, Messina, Istituto Arti Grafiche di Sicilia, 1965, cap. V, pp. 163-194 e cap. VI, pp. 195-224) è che il Papa come Papa non può cadere in eresia formale, mentre può favorire l’eresia o cadere in eresia materiale come dottore privato oppure come Papa, ma solo nel magistero non definitorio, non obbligante e quindi non infallibile (cfr. A. X. Da Silveira, p. 33, nota 1; cfr. B. Gherardini, Concilio Ecuмenico Vaticano II. Un discorso da fare, Frigento, Casa Mariana Editrice, 2009; Tradidi quod et accepi. La Tradizione, vita e giovinezza della Chiesa, Frigento, Casa Mariana Editrice, 2010; Concilio Vaticano II. Il discorso mancato, Torino, Lindau, 2011; Quaecuмque dixero vobis. Parola di Dio e Tradizione a confronto con la storia e la teologia, Torino, Lindau, 2011; La Cattolica. Lineamenti d’ecclesiologia agostiniana, Torino, Lindau, 2011).»

If that is not enough for you to find the source, Meg, I provide you with another clue, if you are still lacking the mental capacity to perform the operation.