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Offline Geremia

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Is Francis an Arian?
« on: October 03, 2013, 12:38:09 PM »
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  • Here's the original Italian of a controversial passage:
    "E io credo in Dio. Non in un Dio cattolico, non esiste un Dio cattolico, esiste Dio. E credo in Gesù Cristo, sua incarnazione. Gesù è il mio maestro e il mio pastore, ma Dio, il Padre, Abbà, è la luce e il Creatore."

    Here's my translation (with improved punctuation):
    "And I believe in God. Not in a catholic God; a catholic God does not exist; God exists. And I believe in Jesus Christ, his incarnation. Jesus is my master/teacher and pastor, but God, the Father, Abba, is the light and the Creator."

    It's strange he uses a disjunction between God and Jesus. He also says Jesus Christ is God's incarnation. God becomes man? The Second Person of the Holy Trinity took on human flesh; the Incarnation was not a substantial change of God into a human. So, he seems to promote Arianism. He equates the Father with the Holy Trinity, and the Son with a man.

    To make the Arianism more apparent, replace "God" with "Holy Trinity":
    "And I believe in God[the Holy Trinity]. Not in a catholic God[Holy Trinity]; a catholic God[Holy Trinity] does not exist; God[the Holy Trinity] exists. And I believe in Jesus Christ, his[the Holy Trinity's] incarnation. Jesus is my master/teacher and pastor, but God[the Holy Trinity], the Father, Abba, is the light and the Creator."

    Can anyone please prove me wrong?
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    Is Francis an Arian?
    « Reply #1 on: October 03, 2013, 12:53:19 PM »
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  • I don't think you can be proved wrong.  Bergoglio is, I believe, an Arian, among other errors.  To fully describe him, one would say that Bergoglio is a Modernist which includes the heresy of Arius.


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    Is Francis an Arian?
    « Reply #2 on: October 03, 2013, 04:13:15 PM »
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    Can anyone please prove me wrong?


    Geremia,

    I can't prove you wrong, his statement is clear and heretical.  What are his apologists saying in his defense?
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic

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    Is Francis an Arian?
    « Reply #3 on: October 05, 2013, 07:52:26 PM »
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  • Bergoglio does nothing but emote, and any attempts at analyzing his disastrous "theology" are probably futile.

    Even the modernist Vatican has had difficulty with damage control.

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    Is Francis an Arian?
    « Reply #4 on: October 05, 2013, 10:20:55 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    Even the modernist Vatican has had difficulty with damage control.


    This is what I call the Vatican's "Francis Problem." It was evident early with his comments during his daily NOM. His remarks were so outrageous that it was soon decided by his handlers (and I do mean "handlers") that what he said would no longer be published. He's not just off the cuff; he's off the reservation. The more he talks, the closer he comes to giving away the game. As they say, "The jig is [almost] up."
    "Kindness is for fools! They [modernists] want to be treated with oil, soap, and caresses, but they ought to be beaten with fists. In a duel, you don't count or measure the blows, you strike as you can. War is not made with charity. It is a struggle, a duel." -- Pope St. Pius X


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    Is Francis an Arian?
    « Reply #5 on: October 06, 2013, 02:37:16 AM »
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  • Is Pope Francis an Arian.... :thinking:


    How about a Khazarian ?






    That classic Khazar look, is in the eyes...



    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

     

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