I know this has been floating around, but does anyone know for sure? I read this on traditioninaction.org, then binged it (several articles affirming the veracity of some 'congress' that wants to use worldwide shrines to promote NWO or some other anti-Christian agenda).

The one denying it is anti-SSPX to a very annoying degree (calls them non-Catholics, so I'm not paying much attention to this man's "witness"). His site is www.unitypublishing.com, written in that old 90s-style "just learned html" way (comic sans—bewarned!), and he seems all about unity, but he does mention Hell (a little shocking for a neo-Cat). I'd guess he's of those "everyone's-really-Catholic-deep-down" types (ecuмenical? no, that's not the right word — "universal" I think is the right word). I understand Hinduism better than that universalism religion (which is to say, very little); he even admits he prefers modern function over traditional aesthetics, and says he's 'catholic'.

^ anyway, even THIS guy, the "Fatima rearrangement isn't a big deal" guy, talks about the "church" making an MODERN complex underneath the shrine and basilica of Fatima, and how it shouldn't bother anyone since it would "hardly" be noticed by Fatima pilgrims.

 :dwarf:

That little hypocritical ...zombie (as in, the living dead). What if someone built a nuclear warhead factory under his PEACE CAMP? Hello?!

I know it shouldn't bother me since fallen-Rome controls the facades of the Church, but it still sorta does. In that "let's start a Crusade" sort of way, if only we had a cool Pope like Boniface VIII to call a Crusade. (#BonifaceVIIIFan)

Is this a real concern, though, or just hyped-up paranoia that's picked up steam again for some reason? I don't put much past the conciliarists, but FATIMA?! That just hurts. Physically. I'd thought Portugal would remain Catholic forever (that is, a good place to emigrate if things get bad suddenly).

Does this bother anyone else?

But they're not doing Catholic (even conciliar) things at Fatima; they've allowed Hindu rituals there, which are anti-Catholic.

(I just found that; it seems a bit old, too!)

But it's Fatima, and they're building some underground thing for inter-faith UNDER the shrine and the Basilica. (I'll add "reportedly", since I'm not clear on what's happening there.)

If Hindus wanted to visit the shrine to learn about the visions and miracles, like other pilgrims, that would be different; but having Hindu ceremonies (which have nothing to do with Catholicism) seems extraordinarily wrong.

It's like putting a mosque in the center of St. Peter's square, "to be friendly".

And are Hindus allowing Catholic statues or Mass at their "holy places"? I just saw that "BVM" statue in another thread, and while their version of the Holy Mother fits with their culture and gods, it's very disrespectful-seeming (the Holy Mother isn't covered; she's not even looking at her Son, God, but instead gazing away from Him.) I would have never guessed that was the Holy Mother. Are we really "helping" anyone convert if we're caving to their gods, while they use our places (like Fatima) for their unchanged Hindu rituals?

To me, it's much more like our holy places are being taken over by false gods, and I truly find it horrifying. Think: why would Hindus even want to visit Fatima, if not to spread THEIR religion? I'm not into being a Hindu; and they're not interested in Catholicism.

But they're not doing Catholic (even conciliar) things at Fatima; they've allowed Hindu rituals there, which are anti-Catholic.

(I just found that; it seems a bit old, too!)

But it's Fatima, and they're building some underground thing for inter-faith UNDER the shrine and the Basilica. (I'll add "reportedly", since I'm not clear on what's happening there.)

If Hindus wanted to visit the shrine to learn about the visions and miracles, like other pilgrims, that would be different; but having Hindu ceremonies (which have nothing to do with Catholicism) seems extraordinarily wrong.

It's like putting a mosque in the center of St. Peter's square, "to be friendly".

And are Hindus allowing Catholic statues or Mass at their "holy places"? I just saw that "BVM" statue in another thread, and while their version of the Holy Mother fits with their culture and gods, it's very disrespectful-seeming (the Holy Mother isn't covered; she's not even looking at her Son, God, but instead gazing away from Him.) I would have never guessed that was the Holy Mother. Are we really "helping" anyone convert if we're caving to their gods, while they use our places (like Fatima) for their unchanged Hindu rituals?

To me, it's much more like our holy places are being taken over by false gods, and I truly find it horrifying. Think: why would Hindus even want to visit Fatima, if not to spread THEIR religion? I'm not into being a Hindu; and they're not interested in Catholicism.

Maybe the holy father needs to write a reciprocation letter to the Hindus. But then he would need to follow through.  

which Holy Father?

The real one.

I heard stories of novus ordo sharing their church with Muslims
Where we are, they allowed Protestants to use the novus ordo church.  They closed down the only catholic school within 338 square miles to be used as a secular charter school.
The same Protestants who hate Catholics.  The same ones who persecuted our ancestors.  And now being persecuted by no.   dThese so called Catholics are the real herectics.  

I'm not well liked in my community because of my Catholic Faith.  My biggest enemies are novus ordo Catholics women.  They hold positions and jobs in the community and some flirt like whores to achieve business goals.   It is sad.  The churches and schools in our area are being used for secular activities.  

These people don't know their faith and even turn their back on God for career power politics.

They will continue to water down the Catholic Faith which will create more athesists.

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But they're not doing Catholic (even conciliar) things at Fatima; they've allowed Hindu rituals there, which are anti-Catholic.

(I just found that; it seems a bit old, too!)

But it's Fatima, and they're building some underground thing for inter-faith UNDER the shrine and the Basilica. (I'll add "reportedly", since I'm not clear on what's happening there.)

If Hindus wanted to visit the shrine to learn about the visions and miracles, like other pilgrims, that would be different; but having Hindu ceremonies (which have nothing to do with Catholicism) seems extraordinarily wrong.

It's like putting a mosque in the center of St. Peter's square, "to be friendly".

And are Hindus allowing Catholic statues or Mass at their "holy places"? I just saw that "BVM" statue in another thread, and while their version of the Holy Mother fits with their culture and gods, it's very disrespectful-seeming (the Holy Mother isn't covered; she's not even looking at her Son, God, but instead gazing away from Him.) I would have never guessed that was the Holy Mother. Are we really "helping" anyone convert if we're caving to their gods, while they use our places (like Fatima) for their unchanged Hindu rituals?

To me, it's much more like our holy places are being taken over by false gods, and I truly find it horrifying. Think: why would Hindus even want to visit Fatima, if not to spread THEIR religion? I'm not into being a Hindu; and they're not interested in Catholicism.

Maybe the holy father needs to write a reciprocation letter to the Hindus. But then he would need to follow through.  

Do you mean Francis, he says in his own words that he is just the
Bishop of Rome.

But they're not doing Catholic (even conciliar) things at Fatima; they've allowed Hindu rituals there, which are anti-Catholic.

(I just found that; it seems a bit old, too!)

But it's Fatima, and they're building some underground thing for inter-faith UNDER the shrine and the Basilica. (I'll add "reportedly", since I'm not clear on what's happening there.)

If Hindus wanted to visit the shrine to learn about the visions and miracles, like other pilgrims, that would be different; but having Hindu ceremonies (which have nothing to do with Catholicism) seems extraordinarily wrong.

It's like putting a mosque in the center of St. Peter's square, "to be friendly".

And are Hindus allowing Catholic statues or Mass at their "holy places"? I just saw that "BVM" statue in another thread, and while their version of the Holy Mother fits with their culture and gods, it's very disrespectful-seeming (the Holy Mother isn't covered; she's not even looking at her Son, God, but instead gazing away from Him.) I would have never guessed that was the Holy Mother. Are we really "helping" anyone convert if we're caving to their gods, while they use our places (like Fatima) for their unchanged Hindu rituals?

To me, it's much more like our holy places are being taken over by false gods, and I truly find it horrifying. Think: why would Hindus even want to visit Fatima, if not to spread THEIR religion? I'm not into being a Hindu; and they're not interested in Catholicism.

Actually, there is a Hindu temple in the town I used to live in that has a statue of both Christ and the Theotokos.  That doesn't mean it makes any sense for Catholics to install a statue of Krishna in a church, of course.  

Will the Virgin Mary continue to hold back her son's arm if we continue to hurt her like this? This is betrayal of the most immaculate heart there ever was. All she sees in this situation is sin, and how we damn ourselves by our apostacy and apathy towards true religion. The charity of many has grown cold.