Author Topic: Is Card Burke weak? (Read 2677 times)

ggreg · « **on:** October 23, 2014, 04:00:57 AM »

I watched this EWTN interview with Cardinal Burke and was struck by his lack of anger and calm demeanour.

He discusses Kasper's theology as if it is a difference of opinion. There does not seem to be any aggression or anger in the guy.

Am I expecting too much to have ANY men with a bit of fire in their belly? Turn up in the average bar and working men will shout and almost come to blows over a sports team or illegal immigration. But when someone is wrecking the Church, those that are officially there to protect the truth explain themselves with such passiveness that you wonder whether they have ANY testosterone whether liberal or conservative.

Meanwhile self-appointed apostolate media luvies like Voris are flagellating themselves and telling us about their "aching hearts" because they reported on something that Cardinal Burke said.

If Catholics are supposed to be such passive weeds and emotional sacks then how on earth did they arrange the crusades, let alone the inquisition?

stgobnait · « **Reply #1 on:** October 23, 2014, 04:23:48 AM »

Weak as water......

2Vermont · « **Reply #2 on:** October 23, 2014, 04:36:38 AM »

Quote from: ggreg

I watched this EWTN interview with Cardinal Burke and was struck by his lack of anger and calm demeanour.

He discusses Kasper's theology as if it is a difference of opinion. There does not seem to be any aggression or anger in the guy.

Am I expecting too much to have ANY men with a bit of fire in their belly? Turn up in the average bar and working men will shout and almost come to blows over a sports team or illegal immigration. But when someone is wrecking the Church, those that are officially there to protect the truth explain themselves with such passiveness that you wonder whether they have ANY testosterone whether liberal or conservative.

Meanwhile self-appointed apostolate media luvies like Voris are flagellating themselves and telling us about their "aching hearts" because they reported on something that Cardinal Burke said.

If Catholics are supposed to be such passive weeds and emotional sacks then how on earth did they arrange the crusades, let alone the inquisition?

I think the question is whether Burke is truly Catholic, not if he's weak. The answer to the former helps answer the latter.

poche · « **Reply #3 on:** October 23, 2014, 05:11:15 AM »

Quote from: ggreg

I watched this EWTN interview with Cardinal Burke and was struck by his lack of anger and calm demeanour.

He discusses Kasper's theology as if it is a difference of opinion. There does not seem to be any aggression or anger in the guy.

Am I expecting too much to have ANY men with a bit of fire in their belly? Turn up in the average bar and working men will shout and almost come to blows over a sports team or illegal immigration. But when someone is wrecking the Church, those that are officially there to protect the truth explain themselves with such passiveness that you wonder whether they have ANY testosterone whether liberal or conservative.

Meanwhile self-appointed apostolate media luvies like Voris are flagellating themselves and telling us about their "aching hearts" because they reported on something that Cardinal Burke said.

If Catholics are supposed to be such passive weeds and emotional sacks then how on earth did they arrange the crusades, let alone the inquisition?

Maybe his calm demeanor is because he lives a prayerful life and his relation with Jesus causes him to be calm.

ggreg · « **Reply #4 on:** October 23, 2014, 05:19:48 AM »

So why doesn't Jesus in Burke's calm moments explain to him that the principle of non-contradiction applies to several Vatican II docuмents, not to mention the new mass?

You can't selectively use the principle of non-contradiction any more then the principle of Bernoulli when flying in an airplane.

Stubborn · « **Reply #5 on:** October 23, 2014, 05:25:45 AM »

He is calm because everything is going according to plan. If he was anxious, then we'd know things were not going as planned.

ggreg · « **Reply #6 on:** October 23, 2014, 06:17:45 AM »

If they were really that coordinated and Machiavellian then I think they would have had the whole thing sewn up in 1972, Lefebvre blackmailed into silence or dead from an outbreak of Ebola.

Based on the slow progress over 50 years and Occam's Razor I'm going with the theory that they are a bunch of lily-livered hand-wringing sissies who slowly erode the faith because it is all they can manage.

Ecclesia Militans · « **Reply #7 on:** October 23, 2014, 06:41:49 AM »

Cardinal Burke must reject Vatican II wholesale if he wants to be a true defender of the Church.

glaston · « **Reply #8 on:** October 23, 2014, 06:47:57 AM »

Quote from: ggreg

I watched this EWTN interview with Cardinal Burke and was struck by his lack of anger and calm demeanour.

He discusses Kasper's theology as if it is a difference of opinion. There does not seem to be any aggression or anger in the guy.

Am I expecting too much to have ANY men with a bit of fire in their belly? Turn up in the average bar and working men will shout and almost come to blows over a sports team or illegal immigration. But when someone is wrecking the Church, those that are officially there to protect the truth explain themselves with such passiveness that you wonder whether they have ANY testosterone whether liberal or conservative.

Meanwhile self-appointed apostolate media luvies like Voris are flagellating themselves and telling us about their "aching hearts" because they reported on something that Cardinal Burke said.

If Catholics are supposed to be such passive weeds and emotional sacks then how on earth did they arrange the crusades, let alone the inquisition?

The Pope bribed them saying they could keep whatever lands they captured (which increased the blood lust killing all in their paths including wiping out all citizens, of all faiths, on capturing Jerusalem)

They then stuck a faux "King of Jer_usa_lem" on the Throne God-froi de bouillion of 'Flanders' Fame (that devil area in north France-Belgium throughout a thousand years of history) who was poisoned (written in history books of both sides)

London Olympic Walloon 'cauldrons' come to mind (bouillion)!
Flem-ish > A 'Fleming' (you might recognise the medic name-symbology+book writer(a crony zionist sympathiser))

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #9 on:** October 23, 2014, 09:49:14 AM »

Cardinal Burke is more of a controlled opposition stooge who reads the New American "Bible" - Revised Edition. This phony traditionalist is part of the fake "conservative vs liberal" paradigm in the Conciliar church. The fact is BOTH conservatives and liberals are controlled shills of heretical and unfolding apostate Rome. It's just like the fake "conservatives vs liberals" paradigm in U.S. politics and media. Both are owned and controlled by neocon, Christ-hating Jєωs who lie to the masses, promote moral rot in culture, perpetuate war, and engage in theft through the usurious, ponze scheme-central banking system.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #10 on:** October 23, 2014, 09:53:47 AM »

Yes, it's a false left-right paradigm, the same nonsense they use in politics (Republican vs. Democrat) ... brought to you by the same certain-ethnic Hegelian dialecticians.

TKGS · « **Reply #11 on:** October 23, 2014, 10:33:12 AM »

Quote from: ascent

Cardinal Burke is more of a controlled opposition stooge who reads the New American "Bible" - Revised Edition. This phony traditionalist is part of the fake "conservative vs liberal" paradigm in the Conciliar church. The fact is BOTH conservatives and liberals are controlled shills of heretical and unfolding apostate Rome. It's just like the fake "conservatives vs liberals" paradigm in U.S. politics and media. Both are owned and controlled by neocon, Christ-hating Jєωs who lie to the masses, promote moral rot in culture, perpetuate war, and engage in theft through the usurious, ponze scheme-central banking system.

I do not understand this insistence that all these men wielding power are controlled.

Is it not more likely that they are the controllers, that Bergoglio does what he does and says what he says because this is what he believes? Is it not more likely that Burke does what he does and says what he says because that is what he believes?

"The Jєωs" are not controlling the Vatican because the Vatican is infected with the Jєωιѕн doctrines of Modernism. They, whoever "they" are, no longer have to direct their minions according to their evil ends because the minions have drunk the water of Liberalism and Modernism and now live and breathe this stuff.

Furthermore, whoever "they" are, "they" are are actual people not some sort of force that impels certain actions along a particular path. It seems most reasonable to say that "they" are, in fact, the Conciliar hierarchy rather than that the men of the Conciliar hierarchy are merely controlled automatons.

The Penny Catechism · « **Reply #12 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:34:25 PM »

Quote from: ggreg

I watched this EWTN interview with Cardinal Burke and was struck by his lack of anger and calm demeanour.

He discusses Kasper's theology as if it is a difference of opinion. There does not seem to be any aggression or anger in the guy.

Am I expecting too much to have ANY men with a bit of fire in their belly? Turn up in the average bar and working men will shout and almost come to blows over a sports team or illegal immigration. But when someone is wrecking the Church, those that are officially there to protect the truth explain themselves with such passiveness that you wonder whether they have ANY testosterone whether liberal or conservative.

Meanwhile self-appointed apostolate media luvies like Voris are flagellating themselves and telling us about their "aching hearts" because they reported on something that Cardinal Burke said.

If Catholics are supposed to be such passive weeds and emotional sacks then how on earth did they arrange the crusades, let alone the inquisition?

Watching their behavior 'says it all.'

They're dead to the Catholic Faith.

They talk sacrilege with the ease as a hungry man talks about gett'n a 'Big Mac n' Fries.'

Their vestments are a 9-5 uniform to put on to make a living and have retirement using the paths of least resistance and coercion.

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #13 on:** October 23, 2014, 08:39:32 PM »

Quote from: TKGS

Quote from: ascent

Cardinal Burke is more of a controlled opposition stooge who reads the New American "Bible" - Revised Edition. This phony traditionalist is part of the fake "conservative vs liberal" paradigm in the Conciliar church. The fact is BOTH conservatives and liberals are controlled shills of heretical and unfolding apostate Rome. It's just like the fake "conservatives vs liberals" paradigm in U.S. politics and media. Both are owned and controlled by neocon, Christ-hating Jєωs who lie to the masses, promote moral rot in culture, perpetuate war, and engage in theft through the usurious, ponze scheme-central banking system.

I do not understand this insistence that all these men wielding power are controlled.

Is it not more likely that they are the controllers, that Bergoglio does what he does and says what he says because this is what he believes? Is it not more likely that Burke does what he does and says what he says because that is what he believes?

"The Jєωs" are not controlling the Vatican because the Vatican is infected with the Jєωιѕн doctrines of Modernism. They, whoever "they" are, no longer have to direct their minions according to their evil ends because the minions have drunk the water of Liberalism and Modernism and now live and breathe this stuff.

Furthermore, whoever "they" are, "they" are are actual people not some sort of force that impels certain actions along a particular path. It seems most reasonable to say that "they" are, in fact, the Conciliar hierarchy rather than that the men of the Conciliar hierarchy are merely controlled automatons.

Controlled Opposition is not being controlled against one's will. It's a willing, participatory, fake opposition to another that is meant to deceive the onlooker, the consumer, the believer and the herd, while keeping the status quo going or bringing in more radical modernism. hence, the control is over the onlooker - the herd, NOT the one participating in the deception. CO can happen on an individual or collective level, but it's essentially a wolf in sheep's clothing who has sold out - a paid whore - who says one thing but believes another, and uses red herrings to avoid the real and fundamental issues. Media Mockingbird shills, govt puppets and Church Judases are archetypal examples.

What you described is more along the lines of blackmail, which also occurs very much in politics, media and the Church, but in this particular case, Burke, and all of the Conciliar bishops, are controlled opposition.

SoldierOfChrist · « **Reply #14 on:** October 23, 2014, 09:03:30 PM »

I would say that considering he led the conservative revolt in the synod, cast a light on and discredited the manipulators, including the pope, and caused the pope's own wishes for the synod to be lost (for now ), all while sacrificing his career and reputation, that he is not weak. He's just not your style. Not everyone can be Saint Ignatius Loyola. We also have Saint Thomas Aquinas and Saint Francis as examples. I'm not crazy about his style either and I prefer the fiery nature of Bishop Williamson, but the fact is that Cardinal Burke has done a lot of very difficult things, so weak is not an adjective that can be used to describe him. Weak people cannot do difficult things.