Author Topic: Is Bergoglio a formal heretic? (Read 4234 times)

countrychurch · « **Reply #5 on:** April 10, 2017, 06:02:33 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on April 02, 2017, 05:59:26 PM

Not sure. Seems likely that he is.

But the strong positive doubt is enough for me to withdraw from any submission to his teaching.

if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck..
why, dadgum... looks like a friggin duck

saintbosco13 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 10, 2017, 07:26:01 PM »

A formal heretic is defined as someone who deliberately doubts or denies a revealed truth of the Catholic faith. Look at the quotes from Francis on Francisquotes.com and you will see Francis is certainly a formal heretic 20 times over.

Material heresy is due to the outcome of ignorance, and looking at the quotes on that website, it's obvious that Francis cannot claim ignorance on subjects like promoting atheism, doubting the Blessed Trinity, approving of cohabitation, approving of contraception, approving of ecuмenism, etc. etc. Anyone who claims he is only a material heretic is only kidding themselves.

Macarius · « **Reply #7 on:** April 11, 2017, 01:04:22 AM »

I am at a loss understanding where do laymen get the authority to declare a bishop a heretic.

My understanding of theology is that only a bishop can declare someone a heretic, and that this does not apply to the See of Peter.

Which is why I cannot subscribe to Sedevacantism, no offense intended by this.

Other than Bellarmine's speculations, any official traditions to hold on to?

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #8 on:** April 15, 2017, 11:59:24 AM »

Recognizing Bergoglio is a heretic is not making an official declaration, it simply pointing out an observable fact. If you see a man rob a bank in broad daylight, you can certainly refer to him as a thief and you are not making any kind of declaration by doing so. The law will catch up with him later and make the official declaration, but in the meantime you can certainly refer to him as a thief and you wouldn't leave your valuables unattended with him just because the law hasn't sentenced him.

( PS - that was a quote from SaintBosco13 )

Today, I have to say that I do not believe the Vatican II popes are even Catholic, let alone heretics.(

countrychurch · « **Reply #9 on:** April 15, 2017, 04:14:43 PM »

Quote from: saintbosco13 on April 10, 2017, 07:26:01 PM

A formal heretic is defined as someone who deliberately doubts or denies a revealed truth of the Catholic faith. Look at the quotes from Francis on Francisquotes.com and you will see Francis is certainly a formal heretic 20 times over.

Material heresy is due to the outcome of ignorance, and looking at the quotes on that website, it's obvious that Francis cannot claim ignorance on subjects like promoting atheism, doubting the Blessed Trinity, approving of cohabitation, approving of contraception, approving of ecuмenism, etc. etc. Anyone who claims he is only a material heretic is only kidding themselves.

my guess is that Francis would deny "condoning" co-habitation and etc.. and say he is only accepting the person, not the sin? But it wouldn't surprise me if he did NOT say that

in any case, he is promoting fornication by NOT standing up to that sin. No sane Catholic ever said we should reject those who sin, but if the person does not give up the sin..

F acts like that doesn't matter. He is causing scandal, and true Christians will avoid the Catholic Church, lose out sacramentally and most will end up in Hell. And that will be on him

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