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Re: Is a quote by St. Francis de Sale too much for R&R?
« Reply #30 on: Yesterday at 04:58:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on Yesterday at 12:44:58 PM
    I do not know who he is, or any NO priest for that matter. Always been and hope to die a trad.

    You are suppose to hope to die a Catholic.
    Catholics obey Christ and His divine Church that he designed for our salvation.
    You live in a diocese. Your Sunday obligation is not fulfilled without going to Mass in your parish.
    You say you cannot trust him to save your soul because of the heresies flowing in the parish? then contact your bishop.
    You say your bishop won't do anything about it because he is filled with the same heresies? then contact Rome.
    You say Rome won't do anything about your bishop's heresies, and you know of no other parish that is any better?
    Then you just effectively concluded the man in Rome is not a true pope. Otherwise Christ would have designed His Church in vain, and that is a blasphemy to say.
    The hierarchical structure is divine, those who are heretics don't represent that structure. It's impossible for a true pope to know about it and do nothing.
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    Re: Is a quote by St. Francis de Sale too much for R&R?
    « Reply #31 on: Today at 05:07:23 AM »
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    • Quote from: Freind on Yesterday at 04:58:25 PM
    You are suppose to hope to die a Catholic.
    Catholics obey Christ and His divine Church that he designed for our salvation.
    You live in a diocese. Your Sunday obligation is not fulfilled without going to Mass in your parish.
    You say you cannot trust him to save your soul because of the heresies flowing in the parish? then contact your bishop.
    You say your bishop won't do anything about it because he is filled with the same heresies? then contact Rome.
    You say Rome won't do anything about your bishop's heresies, and you know of no other parish that is any better?
    Then you just effectively concluded the man in Rome is not a true pope. Otherwise Christ would have designed His Church in vain, and that is a blasphemy to say.
    The hierarchical structure is divine, those who are heretics don't represent that structure. It's impossible for a true pope to know about it and do nothing.
    They preach a different Gospel, per St. Paul this makes them anathema whether the pope is the pope or not, so we do with them the same as with all heretics, as the Scripture below teaches us, we do not listen to them. 

    Jer. 23:16 "Thus saith the Lord of hosts: Hearken not to the words of the prophets that prophesy to you, and deceive you: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord."  

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    Re: Is a quote by St. Francis de Sale too much for R&R?
    « Reply #32 on: Today at 05:10:25 AM »
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    • I think this is an impossible scenario for sedes to even imagine, but have you ever considered that something like the following scenario really and truly could actually happen some day...

    Suppose instead of pope Leo, they elected another pope St. Pius X, and by now he is 5 or 6 years into his papacy and has accomplished a great deal for the Church. He has wholly condemned the new mass, all the heresies and errors of V2, brought back the TLM and restored the Church and sacraments so that now, the Church is as it was pre-V2, BUT, through it all he has *not* declared that any of the conciliar popes were not popes.
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    Re: Is a quote by St. Francis de Sale too much for R&R?
    « Reply #33 on: Today at 06:40:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on Today at 05:10:25 AM
    I think this is an impossible scenario for sedes to even imagine, but have you ever considered that something like the following scenario really and truly could actually happen some day...

    Suppose instead of pope Leo, they elected another pope St. Pius X, and by now he is 5 or 6 years into his papacy and has accomplished a great deal for the Church. He has wholly condemned the new mass, all the heresies and errors of V2, brought back the TLM and restored the Church and sacraments so that now, the Church is as it was pre-V2, BUT, through it all he has *not* declared that any of the conciliar popes were not popes.

    You already believe something impossible about the divinity of the Church, and now you just continue to invent something from you imagination that is impossible.
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    Re: Is a quote by St. Francis de Sale too much for R&R?
    « Reply #34 on: Today at 07:25:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on Today at 05:10:25 AM
    I think this is an impossible scenario for sedes to even imagine, but have you ever considered that something like the following scenario really and truly could actually happen some day...

    Suppose instead of pope Leo, they elected another pope St. Pius X, and by now he is 5 or 6 years into his papacy and has accomplished a great deal for the Church. He has wholly condemned the new mass, all the heresies and errors of V2, brought back the TLM and restored the Church and sacraments so that now, the Church is as it was pre-V2, BUT, through it all he has *not* declared that any of the conciliar popes were not popes.
    Do you think there is a possibility of a future Pope declaring the Conciliar popes to be false-popes?
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    Re: Is a quote by St. Francis de Sale too much for R&R?
    « Reply #35 on: Today at 08:12:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: Freind on Today at 06:40:51 AM
    You already believe something impossible about the divinity of the Church, and now you just continue to invent something from you imagination that is impossible.
    The pope is not divine, he's not God. He has free will and everything. I post my reasons and references for saying what I've said, you do not believe such a thing is possible, this means your conclusion is a matter of faith when it shouldn't be.  
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    Re: Is a quote by St. Francis de Sale too much for R&R?
    « Reply #36 on: Today at 08:14:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: WorldsAway on Today at 07:25:14 AM
    Do you think there is a possibility of a future Pope declaring the Conciliar popes to be false-popes?
    Absolutely. If the future pope deemed it were necessary for the good of the Church, sure, a future pope could make such a declaration.
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    Re: Is a quote by St. Francis de Sale too much for R&R?
    « Reply #37 on: Today at 08:35:59 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on Today at 08:14:21 AM
    Absolutely. If the future pope deemed it were necessary for the good of the Church, sure, a future pope could make such a declaration.
    Why do you think it is possible?
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    Re: Is a quote by St. Francis de Sale too much for R&R?
    « Reply #38 on: Today at 08:39:17 AM »
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    • Quote from: WorldsAway on Today at 08:35:59 AM
    Why do you think it is possible?
    It's more that I do not think it is impossible, that, and I hope he does for the sake of the sedes.
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