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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Is It a Mortal Sin to Attend the New Mass.
« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2020, 03:43:02 PM »

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Matthew said...Bishop Williamson said...etc
Poche, you find people who will say what you want to hear.  I'm sure you've found some novus ordo "priests" who agree with you on other topics.  You're just a cafeteria catholic.
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Offline ByzCat3000

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« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2020, 04:01:34 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on September 13, 2020, 03:43:02 PM
Poche, you find people who will say what you want to hear.  I'm sure you've found some novus ordo "priests" who agree with you on other topics.  You're just a cafeteria catholic.
Correction: he finds people who he thinks said something sort of like what he wants to hear, and then rips them completely out of topic.

I read that thread from Matthew, and that wasn't what he said.  And I seriously would trust Matthew over Poche on what Bishop Williamson meant too.
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Re: Is It a Mortal Sin to Attend the New Mass.
« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2020, 11:01:13 PM »
Quote from: ByzCat3000 on September 13, 2020, 04:01:34 PM
Correction: he finds people who he thinks said something sort of like what he wants to hear, and then rips them completely out of topic.

I read that thread from Matthew, and that wasn't what he said.  And I seriously would trust Matthew over Poche on what Bishop Williamson meant too.
This is the question in its entirety and Matthew's answer;
What is your least favorite group in the Traditional Movement?

First of all, I think you mean, "the broader, anti-Vatican 2 movement" because all Traditional Catholics are more or less OK with me by definition (despite some disagreements on side-topics here or there). But among those who claim to be against Vatican II, there is one group that really boils my blood, and that is the "dogmatic home-aloners". These are they who hate Vatican II and the new religion, but they believe there are no priests and bishops left, or that the Traditional Movement is still not legitimate to support. They stay at home on Sunday for dogmatic reasons, hence the "dogmatic" adjective. A normal Catholic without a Traditional Mass option who happens to stay at home on Sunday through no fault of his own is a home-aloner per accidens or only by coincidence. But the dogmatic home-aloners believe that getting into lifeboats is forbidden, so they flounder about in the open sea. Having lived in a Traditional lifeboat for my entire life (my parents met at a Traditional Catholic book publisher, and were married at a Traditional independent chapel), I can fully appreciate the folly of this group. They fail to realize that life has to go on, especially when the Crisis was intended by God to last 50+ years. Moreover, they are dead-wrong on their judgment regarding the validity of a priest or bishop. Their theology is obviously flawed.

Matthew aslo said, "They fail to realize that life has to go on, especially when they realize that the Crisis was intended by God to last for 50+ years. I am not suggesting that the Novus Ordo is the mass that we prefer but I would suggest that staying at home alone indefinitely is not good for the soul. This is from the Wizard Clip:  In August 1804, Mr. McSherry nearly died of a severe illness. Having had some unpleasant difference with Father Cahill, he had not been to confession and communion for some time. But now the Voice told Mr. Livingston to go to Mr. McSherry and "his dear helpmate," as it always called his wife (according to Father Gallitzin), and to tell them that Mr. McSherry "should humble himself and go to confession, and touch Christ through the Church and he would be cured." The apparently dying man immediately sent for Father Cahill and that same night, which his family thought would be his last, he made his confession, received Holy Communion, made his thanksgiving and then fell into a peaceful sleep. The next morning he was up before anyone else and when his family saw him walking around the house, some of them at first thought he was a ghost. Actually, though still pale and emaciated, he was completely cured. And he lived until September 7, 1822.
http://olrl.org/stories/wizclip.shtml
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Is It a Mortal Sin to Attend the New Mass.
« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2020, 11:39:16 PM »
Poche, what’s worse - your reading comprehension or your lukewarm catholic principles?  You cannot serve both God (True Mass) and mammon (V2’s new mass).  Be a man.  Take a stand. 
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« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2020, 12:44:30 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on September 13, 2020, 11:39:16 PM
Poche, what’s worse - your reading comprehension or your lukewarm catholic principles?  You cannot serve both God (True Mass) and mammon (V2’s new mass).  Be a man.  Take a stand.
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