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Offline Last Tradhican

Is It a Mortal Sin to Attend the New Mass.
« on: September 11, 2020, 10:34:15 AM »

Your Response to Whether It is a Mortal Sin to Attend the New Mass Was Inadequate




TIA,

In regards to your response to IRC on September 8, regarding attending the Novus Ordo or no Mass if it is the only one available, I feel that your answer was somewhat inadequate.

You admit that it is a valid sacrament in which case that would suggest missing the sacrament altogether when a valid sacrament is available would be considered breaking the Sabbath and would be a mortal sin.

So the question is simply: Is it a mortal sin to go to the Novus Ordo Mass when that is the only practical Mass available to you? Conversely, is it a mortal sin to miss that Novus Ordo Mass when it is the only one available to you?


TIA responds:


Deacon Dr. D.L.,


You are correct that when answering the question to which you referred, we avoided entering into the moral consequences, whether it is or is not a mortal sin to attend or not attend the Novus Ordo Mass.

It is TIA policy to not overload traditionalist Catholics who come to us asking for orientation with more moral indictments in these difficult times in which we live, where Catholic have so much to respond to when they want to be faithful.

Many traditionalists superficially bombard others with such indictments, even when they have not made sufficient studies on the matter and are not sure of their position. Moved by insecurity they pressure others to come to their side by means of moral threats.

At TIA we give the principles pertinent to each case and leave their moral consequences to be taken by the interested parties. Doing so, we do not force our readers' decisions and we position ourselves outside of these wild skirmishes.

But since you asked straightforwardly whether or not it is a mortal sin to go to the New Mass, and you accused us of trying to circuмvent the topic, we will open an exception to answer you and will set out what we think are the normal moral consequences of this action or omission.

We enter the subject matter.

  • Before answering your questions, we must clarify a presupposition: You believe that when we admit that a Mass is valid, we are automatically suggesting that it is a mortal sin to not attend it. This is not precise. Many Black Masses are valid and of course they should not be atended. Most of the Greek-Schismatic sacraments are valid and we believe they should be avoided always, even when they are the only sacraments available. So, your premise is wrong.
  • To your first question – Is it a mortal sin to go to the Novus Ordo Mass when it is the only available? – we simply answer: It depends; it may or may not be a mortal sin.
  • To respond to your second question – Is it a mortal sin to miss a Novus Ordo Mass when it is the only one available? – we have to distinguish two perspectives: In principle and in practice:


    • In principle,


      • If the person is not aware of the crisis in the Church, the habitual rules of attending Sunday Masses and the Holy Days of Obligation apply to him. That is, it may be a mortal sin if he misses this duty, depending on the cause in each case.
      • However, if he is aware of the take-over of the Catholic Church by Progressivism, he must avoid going to this Mass so as not to fall into the sin of promoting an activity that has the flavor of heresy and for this reason is highly offensive to Our Lord. Therefore, he does not commit mortal sin by missing the Novus Ordo Mass.
    • In practice, adding to the reasons mentioned for normal times (3.A.b.), since April 2020, no Catholic is under the threat of mortal sin when he misses the Novus Ordo Mass, for the following reasons:


      • Pope Francis and the local Bishops dispensed Catholics worldwide from attending Masses under the pretext of avoiding the contagion of Covid-19. So, all were/are dispensed from attending it without pain of mortal sin.
      • Even where the churches are reopening, the imposition of social distancing is limiting the number of attendees to the Mass to a very small proportion of the church's capacities. All the faithful who exceed these limits are dispensed from their Mass obligation. Many Catholics may simply not try to attend it and still benefit from the dispensation.

        In both of these cases – those who exceed the permitted number allowed in the churches and those who do not even try to attend – there is no mortal sin.
      • If tomorrow the Conciliar Church were to return to normality in its Masses, it would be very difficult to convince Catholics that they must attend Mass under pain of going to Hell.

        Indeed, since the faithful see the ease with which the Pope and Bishops, just to follow the requests of the local governments, dispensed everyone from attending Masses and replaced it with the possibility of watching a streamed video "mass," it will be very difficult to convince those same persons that this possibility no longer exists and that they should physically assist at Mass under the former rule of commiting a mortal sin if they do not.

        Why not continue to just watch present or past "masses" on one's TV or electronic devices?
      • In conclusion, the unwise handlling of dispensations during this sanitary crisis seems to have compromised very seriously the teaching that those who do not attend Novus Ordo Masses commit mortal sin. This applies to the last months, the present and the future.

These are our answers to your questions, Dr. D.L.. We hope they clarify the points that concern you.

     Cordially,

     TIA
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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: Is a Mortal Sin to Attend the New Mass.
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2020, 10:39:42 AM »

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It is TIA policy to not overload traditionalist Catholics who come to us asking for orientation with more moral indictments in these difficult times in which we live, where Catholic have so much to respond to when they want to be faithful.

Many traditionalists superficially bombard others with such indictments, even when they have not made sufficient studies on the matter and are not sure of their position. Moved by insecurity they pressure others to come to their side by means of moral threats.

At TIA we give the principles pertinent to each case and leave their moral consequences to be taken by the interested parties. Doing so, we do not force our readers' decisions and we position ourselves outside of these wild skirmishes.
A good policy.
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Online Ladislaus

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Re: Is a Mortal Sin to Attend the New Mass.
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2020, 12:37:14 PM »
Quote from: Last Tradhican on September 11, 2020, 10:39:42 AM
A good policy.

Yes, it makes sense.  Even if one has a strong opinion on the matter, no Catholic is in a position to bind others' consciences.  There's a tremendous amount of confusion out there and we have a vacuum of Church authority to give us direction.  I might opine, for instance, that it would be a mortal sin to attend the NOM, but that's all it is, an opinion.  I can use this opinion only to form MY OWN conscience, and may lay out arguments to persuade others, but that's as far as it can go without usurping the prerogatives that belong to Church authority alone.
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Is a Mortal Sin to Attend the New Mass.
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2020, 01:02:30 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on September 11, 2020, 12:37:14 PM
Yes, it makes sense.  Even if one has a strong opinion on the matter, no Catholic is in a position to bind others' consciences.  There's a tremendous amount of confusion out there and we have a vacuum of Church authority to give us direction.

One of the reasons for the confusion is exemplified by the confused, non-answer TIA gives.

"Is it a mortal sin to go to the Novus Ordo Mass when it is the only available? – we simply answer: It depends; it may or may not be a mortal sin."


Snip from a sermon given by Fr. Wathen about 20 years after V2, which is of course, still true today:
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"...We will not torment you with talking about the atrocities, the falling away from the faith and the renunciation of the faith which goes on progressively in the conciliar church, so that by now, after this many years, it is hard to find a Catholic who knows what he believes, or knows what he's supposed to believe, or knows that he is supposed to believe.

We consider that it is a mortal sin to go to the new mass for any reason whatsoever. [...] Stay away from the conciliar church and if it is not wise for me to say so, all you need to do is consider what has happened to the faith of those who have been attending the new mass through the years. 

But the main reason you stay away is because of the act itself, it is intrinsically evil because it has as it's intention, and I mean, that it was constructed, devised and imposed, in order to replace the True Mass. That is why it is there, not to worship God. The new mass is the instrumentality to banish the True Mass and all it's doctrine, even the true presence of Christ, and in the process to despoil the people of their richest treasure. Again if you don't believe this, it might be a question of faith..."
TIA's quote in the OP reminds me why I gave up on TIA a long time ago.





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Offline forlorn

Re: Is a Mortal Sin to Attend the New Mass.
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2020, 01:34:55 PM »
Quote from: Stubborn on September 11, 2020, 01:02:30 PM
One of the reasons for the confusion is exemplified by the confused, non-answer TIA gives.

"Is it a mortal sin to go to the Novus Ordo Mass when it is the only available? – we simply answer: It depends; it may or may not be a mortal sin."


Snip from a sermon given by Fr. Wathen about 20 years after V2, which is of course, still true today:TIA's quote in the OP reminds me why I gave up on TIA a long time ago.
And what happened to the faith of those attending(and saying) the Tridentine Mass, that they let the New Mass come into being in the first place?

Fr. Wathen makes a decent point, but I don't think "people who do X are generally much more lax in faith" is enough proof to say that "doing X" is mortally sinful. It's an indicator to be wary, sure, but not proof it's grave sin by any means. 
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