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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
« Reply #90 on: August 07, 2018, 09:36:47 AM »
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  • CMRI's beginnings began when Vatican II left them staying firm to the teachings they have learned from the beginning as did other groups scattered.  Yet, Lad clings to the idea that somewhere there has to be a head, he doesn't know where but somewhere in his fantasy because he forgets that Jesus Christ is the head of His church, and the Popes are His representatives on earth, he forgets that a doubtful pope is no pope, yet he clings to his mirage.

    Sedevacantism had nothing to do with my criticism of the CMRI.  I don't fault them for that.  Talk about flawed logic.  No, "CMRI's beginnings began" as a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ network which then obtained doubtful orders from Old Catholic schismatics.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
    « Reply #91 on: August 07, 2018, 09:38:09 AM »
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    Someone who thinks there is salvation outside the Church, someone who is coming from the Old Catholics (schismatics since Vat. I), and someone who rejects Francis as Pope, and who believes that BoD is a dogma of the Faith and belief in which is more necessary than in EENS, is welcome at CMRI.

    Don't forget about the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs and pedophiles.


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
    « Reply #92 on: August 07, 2018, 09:40:06 AM »
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  • They interrupt conversations, acting like Communist informants, in an effectively de facto effort to control freedom of speech within property limits. This is made obvious by the fact that their priest will later approach you and request a private meeting in the back office, when he will inform you that certain things cannot be discussed on their property, which see, and if you don't conform to this rule, you will be forbidden from attending the chapel. That is because the priest was informed by one of his groupies of the conversation you were having with a friend.
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    Their behavior is far more like a trepidatious cult than like a truly Catholic group.

    Hmmm.  So they still retain their cult-like characteristics ... with which they had been immersed since the beginning.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
    « Reply #93 on: August 07, 2018, 09:43:05 AM »
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  • Again, what is telling is that the moderators support the cleric that organized the reception of sacraments at a Feenyite chapel by a resistance bishop. This is in light of the ex resistance priest of the sede vacante position who has been asking for confirmation at his Canadian chapel for months to only be ignored.

    :confused:  What are you talking about?  These are public events, so you needn't be this cryptic about it.

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    Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
    « Reply #94 on: August 07, 2018, 10:30:01 AM »
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  • Sedevacantism had nothing to do with my criticism of the CMRI.  I don't fault them for that.  Talk about flawed logic.  No, "CMRI's beginnings began" as a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ network which then obtained doubtful orders from Old Catholic schismatics.
    Again you mislead ...

    Once Bishop Musey took over CMRI in Spokane, all of Bishop Schuckardt’s priests took an Abjuration of Error and got conditionally ordained by him. 

    You seem to forget that God can work good from evil, we are all born in sin, REMEMBER! 

    Why not or if you don't know; RESEARCH what really happened in regard to Schuckardt:  
    Episcopal Consecration
    Bishop Brown soon became acquainted with Brother Schuckardt and tried to persuade him to accept ordination from him. Later he proposed to consecrate Brother Schuckardt to the episcopacy in addition to ordaining him to the priesthood. After Bishop Brown had repented of having received consecration from the Old Catholics, Brother Schuckardt agreed to receive consecration from Bishop Brown: "[T]hese past months have been spent in intense soul searching and continuous prayer to know and follow God's holy will. Thus I could not give you a reply until I felt fairly certain in my heart and mind. Now, finally, in concluding our novena in honor of the Annunciation, I have come to a decision. It is with holy trepidation that I accept your offer..."[7] Between October 28 and November 1, 1971, Schuckardt was ordained and consecrated a bishop[8] in a rented ballroom in Chicago, as they were not welcome in the churches of the Catholic Church.In 1969, Daniel Quilter Brown received episcopal consecration as an Old Catholic (English-line Old Catholic) bishop in the line of Arnold hαɾɾιs Mathew. Brown had been born and raised a Roman Catholic, but became disenchanted with the reforms of Vatican II, and had chosen to become an Old Roman Catholic bishop in order to perpetuate valid episcopal orders, believing that the Old Catholics still retained valid Orders.[5] Despite the fact that Bishop Brown obtained his consecration in the Old Catholic Church, he and his followers called themselves Roman Catholics and refused to use the title of "Old Catholic." Shortly after his consecration, he broke all ties and communications with the Old Catholics.[6]


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    Also you state here --->I stated the fact that the CMRI published this heretical-sounding article twice.  Readers can draw their own conclusions.  Whether the CMRI agree with it or not doesn't matter.  Had they disagreed with it, of course, they could have simply added an editorial footnote.  Yet the fact is that they published it.  It's just as reprehensible as if they had printed an article questioning the perpetual virginity of Mary ... even if they didn't "agree with" it.  

    If you ever read the article past the Title you might have a different opinion, I would hope so!


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    Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
    « Reply #95 on: August 07, 2018, 10:37:45 AM »
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  • Again you mislead ...

    Once Bishop Musey took over CMRI in Spokane, all of Bishop Schuckardt’s priests took an Abjuration of Error and got conditionally ordained by him.

    You seem to forget that God can work good from evil, we are all born in sin, REMEMBER!

    My point, which is not misleading, is that the organization's foundation was immersed in sins against nature and the affiliation with schismatics.  Later regularization can never undo that history.  Rarely has the Church approved any religious organization that had been riddled with such scandal.  And, as Neil observes, the cult-like behaviors that were there in the early years have left a lasting mark on the group.  Yes, we are all born in sin, but not many founders of approved religious organizations have been perverts.

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    Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
    « Reply #96 on: August 07, 2018, 10:39:46 AM »
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  • If you ever read the article past the Title you might have a different opinion, I would hope so!

    I've read the thing, and the body is as heretical as the title itself.

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    Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
    « Reply #97 on: August 07, 2018, 10:41:52 AM »
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  • http://cor-mariae.com/index.php?threads/bishop-richard-williamson-administered-confirmations-at-feeneyite-chapel-may-25-2016.3987/
    The Canadian ex-Resistance priest that is Sede vacantist (in fact he must still at least support the resistance bishops by requesting confirmations at his chapel) was related to me by Father Rodrigo (the last priest to be ordained by Bishop Williamson) who just joined with Bishop Dolan. I don’t remember all the names who told me off hand but I plan to translate an interview and send it to True Restoration soon.
    Note: my comments have been heavily edited to even make them appear that I favor the resistance when I actually don’t so much. The comments in this thread will probably also disappear eventually.

    OK, thanks.  So Father Gavin Bitzer.

    Well, maybe Bishop Williamson doesn't consider Feeneyism to be heretical as you do.


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    Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
    « Reply #98 on: August 07, 2018, 11:28:36 AM »
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  • I've read the thing, and the body is as heretical as the title itself.
    According to you and others who are believers in Feeneyism.

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    Lad again ... My point, which is not misleading, is that the organization's foundation was immersed in sins against nature and the affiliation with schismatics.  Later regularization can never undo that history.  Rarely has the Church approved any religious organization that had been riddled with such scandal.  And, as Neil observes, the cult-like behaviors that were there in the early years have left a lasting mark on the group.  Yes, we are all born in sin, but not many founders of approved religious organizations have been perverts.

    Schuckardt fell from grace after he organized, the devil hated him and he FELL.  It is nice to know you, a man who never sinned nice to meet you Saint Lad.  
    BTW Schuckardt has already died, judged by God, therefore he needs no judgment from you.  I forget, however, that feeneyists love to judge the soul of others, they enjoy saying who is and who is not a member of the Church, something that is forbidden by the Church, that is to judge the SOUL of others. REMEMBER THAT TEACHING!  Which is why you hate that article, it explains exactly what the CHURCH teaches about NO SALVATION.  It just doesn't fit your erroneous teachings of EENS.   
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    Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
    « Reply #99 on: August 07, 2018, 11:46:41 AM »
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  • OK, thanks.  So Father Gavin Bitzer.

    Well, maybe Bishop Williamson doesn't consider Feeneyism to be heretical as you do.
    Father Bitzer is a wholly orthodox priest who holds the Dogma as the Church defined and proclaimed it. It is a sign of the times when those who are orthodox in belief are called non-Catholics by the sects and cults who have made lying about Father Feeney a part of their doctrine.

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    Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
    « Reply #100 on: August 07, 2018, 11:48:59 AM »
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    Well, maybe Bishop Williamson doesn't consider Feeneyism to be heretical as you do.
    And maybe this chapel doesn't make "feeneyism" as big deal and most "3 baptism" chapels do?  I've been to this chapel before; there was no "Baptism litmus test" for admittance.  The priest holds his views on baptism and doesn't require anyone else to believe anything.

    Most people who believe in "3 baptisms" act as if it's a dogma.  Most who are "feeneyites" think there's room for discussion.  The "3 baptisms" group is far more rabid and obsessed...so they assume the feeneyites are just as obsessed (which they aren't).


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    Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
    « Reply #101 on: August 07, 2018, 01:01:26 PM »
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  • Another "black n white", "either-or", "binary" mindset from a sedevacantist.  You lack the ability to admit, or recognize, distinctions.

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    Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
    « Reply #102 on: August 07, 2018, 02:59:47 PM »
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  • Another "black n white", "either-or", "binary" mindset from a sedevacantist.  You lack the ability to admit, or recognize, distinctions.
    By distinctions do you mean the quality of your pope?
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    Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
    « Reply #103 on: August 07, 2018, 05:18:19 PM »
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  • Just cut the crap and find yourself a SSPV/CSPV chapel.

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    Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
    « Reply #104 on: August 07, 2018, 06:10:34 PM »
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  • You either deny the Council of Trent or you don’t. Pretty cut and dry. If you think that Baptism or the desire thereof is a debatable topic then you believe the canons of the Council of Trent are a debatable topic. And yes, that makes you a heretic. Clear cut and easy to see.
    An orthodox reading of the Council of Trent does not support baptism of desire as understood by modern clerics and laity.
    There were not many liberals in those days.
    You would have us believe that the Church needed the council of Trent to clarify the dogma of exclusive salvation. It is an absurd notion.