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Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
« Reply #80 on: August 02, 2018, 05:20:03 PM »
Tell us something we don't already know.  By far the most virulent despisers of EENS have ties to the CMRI ... only to be rivaled by the SSPV.  Even apart from the doctrinal issues, how can anyone "support without hesitation" a group with such utterly sordid beginnings, founded by an admitted perpetrator of sins against nature, a culture which initially permeated their clergy ... not to mention the cult-like practices and intercommunion with schismatic Old Catholics?
What?  No Catholic despises the truth of EENS, especially myself and CMRI.  I simply expect BoD to be understood as the Church teaches, in concert with EENS (as opposed to those that would have one contradict the other).

As for the beginnings of this organization, those short comings have been addressed and resolved.

I very much enjoy the religious of CMRI, and hold in high regard Bishop Pivarunas.  

http://cmri.org/sedevac.htm





Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
« Reply #81 on: August 02, 2018, 06:16:50 PM »

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Lads logic is flawed he says "Tell us something we don't already know.  By far the most virulent despisers of EENS have ties to the CMRI ... only to be rivaled by the SSPV.  Even apart from the doctrinal issues, how can anyone "support without hesitation" a group with such utterly sordid beginnings, founded by an admitted perpetrator of sins against nature, a culture which initially permeated their clergy ... not to mention the cult-like practices and intercommunion with schismatic Old Catholics?"
  He seems to forget that Jesus Christ handpicked Judas.  CMRI's beginnings began when Vatican II left them staying firm to the teachings they have learned from the beginning as did other groups scattered.  Yet, Lad clings to the idea that somewhere there has to be a head, he doesn't know where but somewhere in his fantasy because he forgets that Jesus Christ is the head of His church, and the Popes are His representatives on earth, he forgets that a doubtful pope is no pope, yet he clings to his mirage. 
 
Traditional Catholic pray the Act of Faith with their rosary, yet many ignore the words "I believe these and all the truths which the Holy Catholic Church teaches because Thou hast revealed them, Who canst neither deceive nor be deceived."

Yet, these Catholic's dare to speak with disdain about CMRI.    

They prefer to accept a Pope who deceives.  According to them, the Holy Ghost failed, the Church failed.  They recognize the man but resist the man, CMRI recognizes the Papacy ALWAYS, and because we recognize the Papacy there is nothing to resist.  
 


Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
« Reply #82 on: August 06, 2018, 09:57:47 PM »
Merry, as a long time CMRI supporter and the administrator of the CMRI Chapel for 20 years in Oklahoma City ( not to mention the irony that my some was asked to leave the seminary in Omaha over his anti-NFP stance; we are still close to the Bishop) I am beyond curious about who you are suggesting was removed from duty as a priest and sent to counseling over the NFP issue. Perhaps you misspoke or you are referring to some other group but this claim would be news to me. In the interest of squelching a simple misunderstanding could you please provide some further info on this claim when you can? Thanks in advance Merry.

Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
« Reply #83 on: August 07, 2018, 12:48:21 AM »
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Someone who thinks there is salvation outside the Church, someone who is coming from the Old Catholics (schismatics since Vat. I), and someone who rejects Francis as Pope, and who believes that BoD is a dogma of the Faith and belief in which is more necessary than in EENS, is welcome at CMRI.
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But anyone who dares to hold that BoD is theological speculation (verifiably the truth) and not de fide, who is opposed to NFP as a matter of principle, or who assists at Mass in any chapel that could be called "Feeneyite" (by any number of criteria!) is automatically persona non grata at the CMRI sites. They have other forbidden topics as well. These are a sample thereof.
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In my experience, CMRI groupies are all too eager to pick a fight with a visitor over the question of valid episcopal consecrations or valid priestly ordinations. They are all too prepared to go toe-to-toe against someone who dares to question certain things, some of which are of little or no importance such as BoD, while they consistently ignore our need to pray for the Collegial Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary -- even though they pretend to promote the (edited) Message of Fatima and the Queenship of Mary Immaculate (to whose Heart they deny awaits the consecration of Russia). One has to wonder if Bishop Mark Pivarunas were given the opportunity to consecrate Russia to the IHM together with the Pope and other bishops of the world, whether he would refuse. They interrupt conversations, acting like Communist informants, in an effectively de facto effort to control freedom of speech within property limits. This is made obvious by the fact that their priest will later approach you and request a private meeting in the back office, when he will inform you that certain things cannot be discussed on their property, which see, and if you don't conform to this rule, you will be forbidden from attending the chapel. That is because the priest was informed by one of his groupies of the conversation you were having with a friend.
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Their behavior is far more like a trepidatious cult than like a truly Catholic group.

Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
« Reply #84 on: August 07, 2018, 08:14:30 AM »
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