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Offline MyrnaM

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Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
« Reply #105 on: August 07, 2018, 07:08:22 PM »
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    • Emperor Valentinian II, a catechumen. The doctrine of the baptism of desire is here clearly set forth. St. Ambrose asks: "Did he not obtain the grace which he desired? Did he not obtain what he asked for? Certainly, he obtained it because he asked for it." St. Augustine (IV, De Bapt., xxii) and St. Bernard (Ep. Ixxvii, ad H. de S. Victore) likewise discourse in the same sense concerning the baptism of desire." 1917 Catholic Encyclopedia, Baptism, Baptism of Desire.

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    Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
    « Reply #106 on: August 11, 2018, 12:04:09 PM »
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    • The answer is yes. As you are obliged to attend Mass on Sunday, if the CMRI mass is practical to attend, and so long as Sedevacantism is not regularly pushed in the sermons, it is an alternative.
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    Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
    « Reply #107 on: August 11, 2018, 04:04:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: MyrnaM on August 07, 2018, 07:08:22 PM
    Emperor Valentinian II, a catechumen. The doctrine of the baptism of desire is here clearly set forth. St. Ambrose asks: "Did he not obtain the grace which he desired? Did he not obtain what he asked for? Certainly, he obtained it because he asked for it." St. Augustine (IV, De Bapt., xxii) and St. Bernard (Ep. Ixxvii, ad H. de S. Victore) likewise discourse in the same sense concerning the baptism of desire." 1917 Catholic Encyclopedia, Baptism, Baptism of Desire.

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    This citation is completely distorted.  Elsewhere, St. Ambrose explicitly taught that catechumens could not be saved with their desire.  It's unknown what exactly he meant here, but it could be either 1) that there was a question regarding whether or not he could have received emergency Baptism as he was dying from someone close to him (since news didn't travel so well back then, especially the details) or 2) whether St. Ambrose was suggesting BoB, since Valentinian had been killed for rejecting Arianism.

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    Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
    « Reply #108 on: August 11, 2018, 07:12:41 PM »
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    • CMRI kicked Bishop Musey out, verbally attacked and slandered him in a public forum at Mount Saint Michael's. Once he realized the cult like tactics used to coerce vocations and the improper religious formation, he told them to disband for one year. He thought it was prudent to give them time to air out and decide without coercion if they truly had vocations. He called it Spiritual Incest. Those are the facts and he was very well aware of what occurred after listening to countless confused souls. One of the many problems with them is the lack of a proper formation. They are and always will be self taught. It is a mess and I am sorry for any person of good intention who has, is or did suffer in any way as a result of what happened. They have driven many good souls away. It is a tragedy and I pray for them all. Catholicism is logical and brings peace. Truth brings peace.
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    Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
    « Reply #109 on: August 12, 2018, 05:50:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: En medio stat virtus on August 11, 2018, 07:12:41 PM
    CMRI kicked Bishop Musey out, verbally attacked and slandered him in a public forum at Mount Saint Michael's. Once he realized the cult like tactics used to coerce vocations and the improper religious formation, he told them to disband for one year. He thought it was prudent to give them time to air out and decide without coercion if they truly had vocations. He called it Spiritual Incest. Those are the facts and he was very well aware of what occurred after listening to countless confused souls. One of the many problems with them is the lack of a proper formation. They are and always will be self taught. It is a mess and I am sorry for any person of good intention who has, is or did suffer in any way as a result of what happened. They have driven many good souls away. It is a tragedy and I pray for them all. Catholicism is logical and brings peace. Truth brings peace.

    Thanks for the insight on their seminary problems EMSV!
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