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Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2018, 03:04:01 PM »
?  I never heard of this.  Could you explain?
Nevermind.  I realize now what you are referring to....   ::)

Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2018, 06:31:00 PM »

Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?

Just wonder what the Pros & Cons are with this sede group?  

Are they adamant about enforcing their sede-vacantist viewpoints with their faithful?
Do they insist on accepting 3 ~ 4 Baptisms like the SSPX?

Historically, it looks like CMRI got off to a bad start.
But they had a major house cleaning and used Archbishop Thuc's line to validate their Orders.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.
They inherited this from the SSPX and the Archbishop.  It is a very important hole in their theology. I get along with SSPX types by never discussing this with them. If your view of salvation is defective then everything else that you teach is suspect, but if you can get valid sacraments from them, then you should avail yourself while it is still possible, because you face the same problem with resistance priests. We do not live in times, where we have many good options.


Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2018, 09:56:53 PM »
Nevermind.  I realize now what you are referring to....   ::)

I've read where they adamantly believe in Salvation Outside the Church.

So for the multitude of ways to accomplish this, they accept:

1. Baptism by water.
2. Baptism by desire, without the water.
3. Baptism by blood.
4. Implicit baptism (everyone is automatically baptized in our hearts) AKA Karl Rahnerism.

The SSPX believes in #4, but not sure if CMRI goes this far?

Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2018, 11:01:18 PM »
I've read where they adamantly believe in Salvation Outside the Church.

So for the multitude of ways to accomplish this, they accept:

1. Baptism by water.
2. Baptism by desire, without the water.
3. Baptism by blood.
4. Implicit baptism (everyone is automatically baptized in our hearts) AKA Karl Rahnerism.

The SSPX believes in #4, but not sure if CMRI goes this far?
I believe it was Fr D Radecki who stated a Jew who rejects Christ can still be saved.  
"All infidels are damned" - Pius X
They are by far the most liberal trad group I have ever encountered.  Out of the ICKSP, SSPX, Resistance, Dolan/Sanborn/Cekada group, sspv, they are the most liberal in all aspects of the faith and morality.  The overall intelligence of the priests and parishioners seems to be lacking.  A typical cmri church is less modest in dress than a typical Indult group for instance.  They push a heretical BoD and Novus Ordo NFP heavily.  They hold an utterly simplistic view of the crises in the church.  Sermons are lacking in philosophy and real substance.  Many members are completely a part of the world; tv, sports, drinking.  
On the other hand many priests seem to be trying very hard in getting the sacraments to as many people as possible, and try to be as holy as they know how.  Many parishioners are truly holy too...but very far and few between.  
This is my opinion, and not a jab or ridicule, but a strong critique of their organization.  

Re: Is a CMRI chapel a reasonable substitute for a Resistance Mass?
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2018, 07:22:13 AM »
Well, the Dimond Brothers think they are heretics, so there's that.  ::)
And the late Rama Coomaraswamy told me that the CMRI is the best Trad group around! Next please! BTW I really like the Dimond Brothers, but old Rama was a very good pen friend of mine. I liked him too.