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Interview w BF on the Doctrinal Preamble of Sep. 14!
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  • http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2011/09/official-interview-with-bishop-bernard.html#more

    Official interview with Bishop Bernard Fellay on the September 14 meeting with Cardinal Levada

    [Note: Main points in English.]

    Following the meeting that Bishop Bernard Fellay and his two general Assistants had, at the Vatican, with Cardinal William Levada, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, on September 14, 2011, at 10 AM, the Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X answered our questions.


    [1. On the Doctrinal Preamble mentioned in the official Communiqué released by the Holy See:] "This docuмent is titled Doctrinal Preamble, it was handed to us for a profound study. Due to this fact, it is confidential, and you will understand if I do not say anything else about it to you. Nonetheless, the word preamble indicates well that its acceptance constitutes a preliminary condition for all canonical recognition of the Society of Saint Pius X by the Holy See"


    [2. On the canonical statute to be proposed, concerning the rumors of an Ordinariate or of a Prelature:] "As you correctly recall, this canonical statute is conditional [on a response to the Preamble]; its exact format cannot be seen but afterwards, and still remains the object of discussion."


    [3. In response to the question, "When do you believe you will present your response to the proposition of Doctrinal preamble?"] "As soon as I have taken the time that is needed to study this docuмent and to consult with the main officials of the Society of Saint Pius X, because, in such an important matter, I am obligated before my brethren not to take any decision without consulting with them beforehand.
    "But I can assure you that our decision will be taken for the good of the Church and of souls. Our Rosary crusade that has been taking place for several months must increase in intensity to allow us to obtain, through the intercession of Mary, Mother of the Church, the graces of light and strength of which we have greater need than ever."

    [The main points have been translated above. As soon as the official translation is made available by the American District of the SSPX, we will replace the French text below.]


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    Interview w BF on the Doctrinal Preamble of Sep. 14!
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  • http://www.sspx.org/district_news/interview_of_bishop_fellay_after_meeting_with_cardinal_levada_9-14-2011.htm

    Quote from: Interview of Bishop Fellay after meeting with Cardinal Levada
    At the conclusion of the meeting that Bishop Bernard Fellay and his two General Assistants had at the Vatican with Cardinal William Levada, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on September 14, 2011, at 10:00 a.m., the Superior General of the Society of St. Pius X answered our questions [for the readers of DICI].

    How did this meeting go?

    The meeting was conducted with great courtesy and with equally great candor, because for the sake of honesty the Society of St. Pius X refuses to evade the problems that remain. Moreover the theological discussions that took place during these past two years were held in this same spirit.

    When I stated on August 15 of this year that we were in agreement on the fact that we did not agree about the Second Vatican Council, I also made sure to explain that when it comes to dogmas, like the doctrine of the Trinity, we are quite obviously in agreement when we find them mentioned in Vatican II. One sentence must not be taken out of its context.  It is to the great credit of our theological talks that they seriously examined and elucidated all these doctrinal problems.

    The joint press release by the Vatican and the Society announced that a doctrinal docuмent was delivered to you and that a canonical solution was proposed to you. Can you give us any particulars?

    This docuмent is entitled “Doctrinal Preamble”; it was handed over to us for in-depth study. Hence it is confidential, and you will understand why I say no more about it to you. However the term “preamble” does indicate that acceptance of it is a preliminary condition for any canonical recognition of the Society of St. Pius X on the part of the Holy See

    On the subject of this doctrinal preamble, to the extent that this does not concern its confidentiality, can you confirm that it contains, as announced in the press release, a distinction between what is de fide [essential to the faith]—to which the Society fully adheres—and what is dependent on a pastoral council, as Vatican II itself claimed to be, and thus could be subjected to criticism without calling the faith into question?

    This new distinction was not only announced in the press release; I have personally heard it from various sources. As early as 2005, Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos told me, after I spent five hours explaining to him all the objections to Vatican II that the Society of St. Pius X had formulated: “I cannot say that I agree with everything that you have said, but what you have said does not mean that you are outside the Church.  Write to the pope therefore and ask him to lift the excommunication.”

    Today, for the sake of objectivity, I must acknowledge that in the doctrinal preamble there is no clear-cut distinction between the inviolable dogmatic sphere and the pastoral sphere that is subject to discussion.  The only thing that I can say, because it is part of the press release, is that this preamble contains “certain doctrinal principles and criteria for the interpretation of Catholic doctrine, which are necessary to ensure faithfulness to the Church’s Magisterium and to "sentire cuм Ecclesia" [thinking with the Church]. At the same time, it leaves open to legitimate discussion the examination and theological explanation of individual expressions and formulations contained in the docuмents of Vatican Council II and of the later Magisterium.”  There you have it;  no more and no less.

    As for the canonical status that is said to have been proposed to the Society of St. Pius X, on the condition that it adheres to the doctrinal preamble:  there has been talk about a [personal] prelature rather than an ordinariate;  it this correct?

    As you correctly note, this canonical status is conditional; only later on will we be able to see the exact modality of it; it still remains a subject for discussion.

    When do you think you will give your answer to the proposal in the doctrinal preamble?

    As soon as I have taken the time necessary to study this docuмent, and to consult with those who are chiefly responsible for the Society of St. Pius X, because in such an important matter I have promised my confreres not to make a decision without consulting them first.

    But I can assure you that our decision will be made for the good of the Church and of souls. Our Rosary Crusade, which continues for several more months, must be intensified so as to enable us to obtain, through the intercession of Mary, Mother of the Church, the graces of light and strength that we need more than ever.  (DICI no. 240 dated September 14, 2011)


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    Interview w BF on the Doctrinal Preamble of Sep. 14!
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    Interview w BF on the Doctrinal Preamble of Sep. 14!
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  • Holy See Press Release:
    Meeting between the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the SSPX

    9-14-2011

    VATICAN CITY, 14 SEP 2011 (VIS) - At midday today the Holy See Press Office released the following communiqué concerning the position of the Society of St. Pius X:

    On 14 September at the offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal William Joseph Levada, prefect of the congregation and president of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei; Archbishop Luis Francisco Ladaria Ferrer S.J., secretary of the congregation, and Msgr. Guido Pozzo, secretary of the pontifical commission, met with Bishop Bernard Fellay, superior general of the Society of St. Pius X, who was accompanied by Fr. Niklaus Pfluger and Fr. Alain-Marc Nely, respectively first and second assistant general to the society.

    Following the appeal of 15 December 2008, addressed by the superior general of the Society of St. Pius X to His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, the Holy Father decided to remove the excommunication against the four bishops consecrated by Archbishop Lefebvre. At the same time, he approved the opening of discussions with the society in order to clarify doctrinal problems and to heal the existing rift.

    In order to put the Holy Father's instructions into effect, a joint study commission was set up, composed of experts from the Society of St. Pius X and from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith who met in Rome on eight occasions between October 2009 and April 2011. Their discussions, which aimed to identify and study the essential doctrinal difficulties in the controversial issues, had the result of clarifying the positions of the two sides and their respective motivations.

    While bearing in mind the concerns and demands presented by the Society of St. Pius X about protecting the integrity of the Catholic faith against Vatican Council II's "hermeneutic of rupture" with Tradition (a theme addressed by Pope Benedict XVI in his address to the Roman Curia on 22 December 2005), the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith maintains that the fundamental basis for achieving full reconciliation with the Apostolic See is the acceptance of the text of the Doctrinal Preamble, which was handed over during a meeting on 14 September 2011. The Preamble defines certain doctrinal principles and criteria for the interpretation Catholic doctrine, which are necessary to ensure faithfulness to the Church Magisterium and "sentire cuм Ecclesia". At the same time, it leaves open to legitimate discussion the examination and theological explanation of individual expressions and formulations contained in the docuмents of Vatican Council II and later Magisterium.

    At the same meeting, certain suggestions were made for a canonical solution to the position of the Society of St. Pius X, with a view to achieving the desired reconciliation.
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