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Offline saintbosco13

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« on: May 14, 2013, 11:46:56 AM »
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  • For those of you who refuse to believe in the possibility of sede vacantism (Latin for vacant seat), here is a list of interregnums throughout the history of the Church:

    1268: 3 years without a Pope
    1292: 2 years without a Pope
    1314: 2 years without a Pope
    1415: 2 years without a Pope
    1799: 6 months without a Pope



    Offline Mithrandylan

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    « Reply #1 on: May 14, 2013, 12:02:12 PM »
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  • You're missing like 240 of them.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    « Reply #2 on: May 14, 2013, 12:46:57 PM »
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  • And it's possible he's missing the longest interregnum in Catholic history:

    1958-2013

    Of course, some see it shortened to this:

    1963-2013

    Some see it as 1964-2013.

    Some refuse to see it at all.

     :scratchchin:

    Offline saintbosco13

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    « Reply #3 on: May 14, 2013, 09:47:16 PM »
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  • Quote from: Mithrandylan
    You're missing like 240 of them.



    LOL. Good point. Yes, there is an interregnum between each Pope. I should have rephrased my post stating that these were the unusually longest interregnums.

    And yes, as a sedevacantist Catholic we would include 1958 to present.


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    « Reply #4 on: May 14, 2013, 09:58:31 PM »
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  • Yes, and today, although many say it's too long, therefore they try as they can to make excuses for ... you know who.   In God's eye this loooog interregnum is a twinkle, as second in His Being.  
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    « Reply #5 on: May 17, 2013, 10:19:35 PM »
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  • Quote from: saintbosco13
    For those of you who refuse to believe in the possibility of sede vacantism (Latin for vacant seat), here is a list of interregnums throughout the history of the Church:

    1268: 3 years without a Pope
    1292: 2 years without a Pope
    1314: 2 years without a Pope
    1415: 2 years without a Pope
    1799: 6 months without a Pope



    Note that just the above adds up to almost 10 years without a Pope. If we added in all of the other interregnums that were weeks or months long, we would certainly have many more years added to that.


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    « Reply #6 on: May 21, 2013, 02:59:06 AM »
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  • Quote from: saintbosco13
    Note that just the above adds up to almost 10 years without a Pope. If we added in all of the other interregnums that were weeks or months long, we would certainly have many more years added to that.


    This is amusing. The line of argumentation is like saying, I can hold my breath underwater for 30 seconds, and do it often, therefore I can also hold my breath for 30  minutes. Formally fallacious in more ways than one.

    It is not possible for an interregnum to be indefinitely extended and to say otherwise is an implicit denial of the perpetual necessity of the Papal power being transmitted to successors in the Church. There are some things only the Pope can do and if there is no Pope for too long, the Church will soon cease to bear her four marks, in particular that of Apostolicity, which is impossible. This consideration is sufficient to see the falsehood of sedevacantism.
    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.

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    « Reply #7 on: May 21, 2013, 04:47:11 PM »
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  • Are we sure apostolicity is the mark that is imperiled?



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    « Reply #8 on: May 21, 2013, 09:41:45 PM »
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  • Quote from: Nishant
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    Note that just the above adds up to almost 10 years without a Pope. If we added in all of the other interregnums that were weeks or months long, we would certainly have many more years added to that.


    It is not possible for an interregnum to be indefinitely extended and to say otherwise is an implicit denial of the perpetual necessity of the Papal power being transmitted to successors in the Church. There are some things only the Pope can do and if there is no Pope for too long, the Church will soon cease to bear her four marks, in particular that of Apostolicity, which is impossible. This consideration is sufficient to see the falsehood of sedevacantism.


    You say it's not possible for an interregnum to be indefinitely extended. That is true - it cannot be indefinite; it must come to an end when the next Pope takes over. Since there have been several interregnums that have lasted years already, we can clearly see that didn't interfere with the 4 marks of the Church.

    From the Catholic Encyclopedia on the article, "Election of the Popes":

    "Between the death of Clement IV (1268) and the coronation of Gregory X (1272) an interregnum of nearly three years intervened. To prevent a repetition of so great a misfortune the pope in the Council of Lyons (1179) issued the Decree "Ubi periculum""

    Notice the Church considered the three-year interregnum to be a "misfortune", but didn't say it was impossible. If it can be 3 years, it can be more years than that as well; the Church never specified a limit. So your argument here doesn't hold water.