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You're telling on yourself by equating what Lad wrote with BOD He was referring to EENS-denial, the teaching of salvation for non-Catholics, plain and simple. What's that got to do with BOD?

No, I am not "telling on myself". Considering that I know the so-called doctrine of Feyneites. You claim that catechumens with the true Catholic faith, but who die before they can get baptised go to hell. 

That means you count people with the true faith as "outside the Church". 

What does a Jew, Muslim, Hindu, etc. being saved have to do with BOD?

Vatican II heretics believe that literally everyone can have some kind of subconscious desire to be baptized. They claim those who are in a state of invincible ignorance and who practice virtue, and who through no fault of their own do not believe in the true faith, subconsciously desire baptism and can be saved.

Then, they vastly exaggerate how many people could actually be saved (even assuming their premises are true) to encourage moral weakness and tolerating sinners.

The logical fallacy is probably found at the "Through no fault of their own" part. It would be laughable if muslims living in western countries who rape and kill christians and pretend to be victims of "islamophobia" could go to heaven.

I believe that there must be some logical middle-ground here, between the false thesis preached by Vatican II, and between the claim that someone with the true faith and who desires baptism, but die (as an example as martyrs) go to hell.

I am making the difference between some sort of subconscious desire to be baptized, and the explicit desire and intent to be baptized as soon as they can.

1.  Fr Feeney said in his book, very clearly and also in interviews that the answer to the question of
Question:  "what happens to a catechumen who dies before baptism?"
Fr Feeney  "I don't know.  And neither do you."

1b.  Fr Feeney never said anyone above goes to hell.

2.  Catechumens do not have the faith, so says Trent.  They have NATURAL faith, but NO ONE can have SUPERNATURAL faith, hope and charity except through baptism.  So says Trent.

1)He didn't say they are going to hell, however, that is the logical consequence of his teachings. According to him, conveniently, all the martyrs registered by the Church who were known to be catechumens were not catechumens. His actions contradict his words.

2)You are twisting the teachings of the Trent catechism. The reason children need baptism is that their intellect does not yet have the capacity to know that the faith is correct through their intellect. Baptism is described as directly giving supernatural faith. FOR CHILDREN, BAPTISM IS THE ONLY POSSIBILITY FOR SALVATION. This is an explicit teaching of the Catechism of the Council of Trent. They advise to baptize children ASAP. You need to read the Chapter 16, I)On the necessity of baptism.

For adults, on the contrary, Trent says that adhering to the faith purely through intellect would prevent an adult from going to hell, if they died from an accident before being baptized, because they would have the EXPLICIT DESIRE to be baptized. They advise teaching adults first the merits of the faith and THEN, baptizing them. The reasons they give is they want to ensure the adult is of good faith BEFORE baptism. Unlike children, an adult can commit sacrilege during baptism if they do not agree with the teachings of the Church or for some reason or other they are lying about being christians. That is the reason, despite the risk of death, priests waited before baptising adults. 


You need to read the Trent Catechism in its entirety, and you need to stop taking statements out of context. You cannot cherry-pick Trent's catechism.