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Title: Interfaith...AGAIN! Indifference...AGAIN!
Post by: MyrnaM on June 07, 2014, 08:13:17 AM
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Al Arabyia News

For the first time in history, Islamic prayers and readings from the Quran will be heard at the Vatican on Sunday, in a move by Pope Francis to usher in peace between Israelis and Palestinians.

Francis issued the invitation to Israeli President Shimon Peres and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas during his visit last week to Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian Authority.

http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/06/06/first-time-history-islamic-prayers-be-held-vatican


It is getting very difficult these days of the Great Apostasy to defend this guy.  :devil2:



Title: Interfaith...AGAIN! Indifference...AGAIN!
Post by: Cantarella on June 07, 2014, 10:40:09 AM
Outrageous!

With Interfaith what they seek is not conversion to the True Faith but simply convergence. To suplant what is truly Catholic, with what is merely global until there is nothing left from the Authentic Faith of Christ. In the pursuit of the Church of "niceness", they conveniently forget that the real obstacle to inter-religion dialogue, is Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself. The Son of God made flesh! The Very Word Incarnate! There is not possible reconciliation there since this Truth is exclusive.

This inter Faith pluralist type of Church is an utter absurdity, just as it is absurd to believe that the Holy Trinity is the same Buda, Allah, Thorn, etc. They end up having a pantheon Church, a tower of Babel of religions in which nothing is true. In the modernist agenda of admitting that all religions are somehow true, they actually accept that all of them are false.

Christ does not command to "enter to dialogue" with pagans or unbelievers, let alone praying with them.  :facepalm:
Title: Interfaith...AGAIN! Indifference...AGAIN!
Post by: glaston on June 07, 2014, 03:31:11 PM
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Monotheism is the sole dogma of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.

Belief in one God is required of every initiate, but his conception of the Supreme Being is left to his own interpretation. Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is not concerned with theological distinctions. This is the basis of our universality


The Bible does not use the phrase “one-world government” or ... as having power and great authority, given to him by Satan himself (Revelation 13:2), being ... Again, verse 16 makes it clear that this will be a universal system of control
Title: Interfaith...AGAIN! Indifference...AGAIN!
Post by: Charlemagne on June 07, 2014, 03:42:02 PM
He's an apostate. What do you expect?
Title: Interfaith...AGAIN! Indifference...AGAIN!
Post by: Matthew on June 07, 2014, 03:57:15 PM
I know this doesn't have anything to do with the Crisis in the Church... but I'm going to go ahead and move this thread there anyhow.
Title: Interfaith...AGAIN! Indifference...AGAIN!
Post by: glaston on June 07, 2014, 03:57:49 PM
Just saw this >>>

Masonic Power reaching right up to our Royals and leaders around the World

"having power and Great Authority"

The Mason's logo
GA - sitting on the diamond formed by the square and compasses!
Title: Interfaith...AGAIN! Indifference...AGAIN!
Post by: Neil Obstat on June 07, 2014, 04:42:04 PM
Quote from: glaston
Just saw this >>>

Masonic Power reaching right up to our Royals and leaders around the World

"having power and Great Authority"

The Mason's logo
GA - sitting on the diamond formed by the square and compasses!




Huh.  And all this time, I thought that GA meant Gnome Accessory:  



(http://rethinksurvival.com/wp-content/uploads/garden-gnome-1.jpg)


Gnome sayin'?



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Title: Interfaith...AGAIN! Indifference...AGAIN!
Post by: Neil Obstat on June 07, 2014, 04:48:37 PM
Quote from: Matthew
I know this doesn't have anything to do with the Crisis in the Church... but I'm going to go ahead and move this thread there anyhow.


You probably won't want to hear this, Matthew, but I can't say I agree with this thread not having anything to do with the Crisis in the Church, but nonetheless, I agree wholeheartedly with your decision to move it here because where it was, I had no interest in commenting on it, but here, it's quite attractive.  And I wouldn't have guessed that would be the case before I saw it moved over here.  Therefore, while I find myself at odds with your reasoning process, I am appreciative of its effect.  And I find that rather mysterious.

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Title: Interfaith...AGAIN! Indifference...AGAIN!
Post by: Neil Obstat on June 07, 2014, 05:39:26 PM
Quote from: Cantarella

Outrageous!

With Interfaith what they seek is not conversion to the True Faith but simply convergence. To supplant what is truly Catholic, with what is merely global until there is nothing left from the Authentic Faith of Christ.


Yes, this is true of "Interfaith" pursuits.  When I was in high school while the Newmass was trucked in like the Circus coming to town, my erstwhile Catholic school made the decision to provide a haven for non-Catholics, even atheist students.  They would never have done that if not for the unclean spirit of Vat.II and its consequences.  

We can see additional spill-over today in the complicity of Catholic 'apologists' who spend more time apologizing for what the Church has NOT been than for defending what she HAS been.  They are wont to endure all manner of insult for being Catholic, while they punish and exclude anyone who dares to stand firm in opposition to such calumny.  This is most glaringly apparent in the scientific community where atheists pretty much rule the roost and any Catholic who dares to challenge their false precepts is mercilessly attacked with any kind of hate-speech they can dredge up, effectively breaking their own rules without consequence.  It's literally a one-way street.


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In the pursuit of the Church of "niceness", they conveniently forget that the real obstacle to inter-religion dialogue, is Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself. The Son of God made flesh! The Very Word Incarnate! There is not possible reconciliation there since this Truth is exclusive.
Very well said, Cantarella!   :cheers:

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This inter Faith pluralist type of Church is an utter absurdity, just as it is absurd to believe that the Holy Trinity is the same Buddha, Allah, Thor, etc.
(You had "Budda" and "Thorn."   :geezer: )

The problem is rooted in definition, and the Church of Nice refuses to define anything.  But if they were to honestly define "dialogue" it would be, Everyone getting together to talk openly about religion, Catholics together with non-Catholics, having at least the tacit agreement that they're attempting to discover the truth, but presuming from the start, that none of them already have it.  

However, when you add atheists to the mix, what you have is something altogether new.  For when atheists are included with a gracious welcome, they are admitted on a special privilege because they are not in agreement with the latter provision;  they believe they DO have the truth, and their purpose in joining the discussion is to make everyone else atheist, too.

How does it apply to atheists?, you might ask.  Well, let me tell you then.  The Romans One curse applies to atheists because it is their sin of pride, intellectual pride, by which they dare to ignore the helps God gives us to believe in Him everywhere we look.  There are four sins that cry to heaven for vengeance and the other three entail victims that are obvious.  But in the case of the sin against nature, the victim might not be overtly obvious.  The unnatural vice has a key characteristic in its nature to export its heresy, its offense against God.  The practitioner of this vice cannot contain his desire to 'evangelize' his sin everywhere he goes.  Consequently all of society becomes the victim of this sin against nature, and on an intellectual level, the sin of atheism is none the less guilty of this nature to propagate itself.  (St. Paul's literal words, "working that which is filthy" (Rom. i. 27) and "...a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient" (Rom. i. 28), apply on an intellectual level as well as a physical one.)  

Just as the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ deep down desires that everyone would become ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, so too the atheist deep down desires that everyone would become atheist.

This phenomenon is a direct result of the Romans One curse authored by St. Paul, The Apostle to the Gentiles.  In particular it applies to those who practice the sin that cries to heaven for vengeance, the sin of Sodom, but in general it applies no less to atheists, who sit in Modernism as if it were in their own house. (Cf. Pascendi domenici gregis)

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They end up having a pantheon Church, a tower of Babel of religions in which nothing is true. In the modernist agenda of admitting that all religions are somehow true, they actually accept that all of them are false.

Christ does not command to "enter to dialogue" with pagans or unbelievers, let alone praying with them.  :facepalm:



Yes, yes and yes.  


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Title: Interfaith...AGAIN! Indifference...AGAIN!
Post by: Neil Obstat on June 07, 2014, 06:00:55 PM
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Regarding the gnome's tree trunk door:

(http://rethinksurvival.com/wp-content/uploads/garden-gnome-1.jpg)

That would not merely be a nightmare to install, it would be impossible to make functional, unless those 3 hinges were custom made.  Their horizontal appearance belies their non-vertical alignment and add to that the fact that they are on a curved jamb line;  all adds up to two custom demands on their design.  The top and bottom hinges could be identical, with the pivot line angled about 8 degrees to the left (counterclockwise) from the aspect of the centerline, but the middle hinge would have to include the barrel joint and pin offset to the left sufficient for its being in straight line between top and bottom hinges.  If these things were not done properly, you would have a very unhappy gnome in your garden and he would probably be sending you text messages day and night complaining about the front door not working properly.  

:gandalf:            

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Title: Interfaith...AGAIN! Indifference...AGAIN!
Post by: glaston on June 08, 2014, 10:05:46 AM
False-Satanist-Mislead-Mason

Luke 6:26 (NAS) "Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for in the same way their fathers used to treat the false prophets."

Your EVIL kindred have forced me into the "North East" of my City
I am not the foundation or cornerstone of anything.
Your Bruvver-hoodies are pure evil
You cannot serve more than one GOD
You have several of God's reps on earth, refuting & rebuking your organisation, through the ages.

Isa 56:10-11 (NIV) "Israel's watchmen are blind, they all lack knowledge; they are all mute dogs, they cannot bark; they lie around and dream. They are shepherds who lack understanding; they all turn to their own way, each seeks his own gain."

YOU DO NOT LISTEN: YOU DO NOT HEAR: YOU DO NOT SEE
- Who are the big 'APES' now - you mockers!

1 Tim 4:1-2 (Phi) God's spirit specificaly tells us that in later days there will be men who abandon the true faith and allow themselves to be spiritually seduced by teachings of demons, teachings given by men who are lying hypocrites, whose consciences are as dead as seared flesh.



Let me refer you to this page which contains many of the lines your Satanist misleading тαℓмυdic leaders have forced on me (as you тαℓмυdic - Masons continue with persecutions)

http://www.acts17-11.com/fprophecy.html

Bitter food - тαℓмυd jew Agency owner/Mason staff sprayed inside of my Fridge with some chemical which taints any unsealed food!

Poisoned water - poisoned me in my last home
- is that what the Masonic (devil) workers spent 10 days setting up under the floorboards when they moved me to the North East of the City after forcing me to remain in a condemned abode for exactly 66 months?
Like they did at the farmhouse?
Contantly given Medicines by Hell-bent 'lacky' Physicians, already banned in several countries - trying to kill me by proxy!
(Bible says "Trust your Physician" - which is why these mason-devils do the occult opposite)



This explains the FALL of ALL MASONS - Blinded by тαℓмυd Pharisees
The Key word is SECRETLY



Deut. 13:5 -8 (NIV) "That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the Lord your God... He has tried to turn you from the way the Lord your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you. If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you,.. do not yield to him or listen to him..."

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We come next, in a due order of precedence, to the consideration of the symbolism connected with an important ceremony in the ritual of the first degree of Masonry, which refers to the north-east corner of the lodge.

In this ceremony the candidate becomes the representative of a spiritual corner-stone. And hence, to thoroughly comprehend the true meaning of the emblematic ceremony, it is essential that we should investigate the symbolism of the corner-stone.

The corner-stone, 107 as the foundation on which the entire building is supposed to rest, is, of course, the most important stone in the whole edifice. It is, at least, so considered by operative masons. It is laid with impressive ceremonies; the assistance of speculative masons is often, and always ought to be, invited, to give dignity to the occasion; and the event is viewed by the workmen as an important era in the construction of the edifice. 108
In the rich imagery of Orientalism, the corner-stone is frequently referred to as the appropriate symbol of a chief or prince who is the defence and bulwark of his people, and more particularly in Scripture, as denoting that promised Messiah who was to be the sure prop and support of all who should put their trust in his divine mission. 109

To the various properties that are necessary to constitute a true corner-stone,--its firmness and durability, its perfect form, and its peculiar position as the connecting link between the walls,--we must attribute the important character that it has assumed in the language of symbolism. Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, which alone, of all existing institutions, has preserved this ancient and universal language, could not, as it may well be supposed, have neglected to adopt the corner-stone among its most cherished and impressive symbols; and hence it has referred to it many of its most significant lessons of morality and truth.

I have already alluded to that peculiar mode of masonic symbolism by which the speculative mason is supposed to be engaged in the construction of a spiritual temple, in imitation of, or, rather, in reference to, that material one which was erected by his operative predecessors at Jerusalem. Let us again, for a few moments, direct our attention to this important fact, and revert to the connection which originally existed between the operative and speculative divisions of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. This is an essential introduction to any inquiry into the symbolism of the corner-stone.

The difference between operative and speculative Masonry is simply this--that while the former was engaged in the construction of a material temple, formed, it is true, of the most magnificent materials which the quarries of Palestine, the mountains of Lebanon, and the golden shores of Ophir could contribute, the latter occupies itself in the erection of a spiritual house,--a house not made with hands,--in which, for stones and cedar, and gold and precious stones, are substituted the virtues of the heart, the pure emotions of the soul, the warm affections gushing forth from the hidden fountains of the spirit, so that the very presence of Jehovah, our Father and our God, shall be enshrined within us as his Shekinah was in the holy of holies of the material temple at Jerusalem.

The Speculative Mason, then, if he rightly comprehends the scope and design of his profession, is occupied, from his very first admission into the order until the close of his labors and his life,--and the true mason's labor ends only with his life,--in the construction, the adornment, and the completion of this spiritual temple of his body. He lays its foundation in a firm belief and an unshaken confidence in the wisdom, power, and goodness of God. This is his first step. Unless his trust is in God, and in him only, he can advance no further than the threshold of initiation. And then he prepares his materials with the gauge and gavel of Truth, raises the walls by the plumb-line of Rectitude, squares his work with the square of Virtue, connects the whole with the cement of Brotherly Love, and thus skilfullv erects the living edifice of thoughts, and words, and deeds, in accordance with the designs laid down by the Master Architect of the universe in the great Book of Revelation.


GOD HELP YOU ALL FROM YOUR GROTESQUE MIS:S:S:TAKES!



Here's good one for the OP re Pope

Jer 8:10-12 (NIV) "From the least to the greatest all are greedy for gain; prophet and priest alike, all practice deceit. They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. 'Peace, peace,' they say, when there is no peace. Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush."

Title: Interfaith...AGAIN! Indifference...AGAIN!
Post by: MyrnaM on June 09, 2014, 10:25:35 AM
Some must see to believe


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