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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Matthew on April 18, 2010, 11:36:01 PM

Title: Interesting point
Post by: Matthew on April 18, 2010, 11:36:01 PM
Title: Interesting point
Post by: Jamie on April 19, 2010, 05:31:28 AM: What I find shocking is how many people are willing to build a cult of personality around Bishop Williamson by speaking out against his superiors actions. I can assure you that his Lordship would not be pleased to see people defend him by going against the Society.

His Lordship has remained within the Society and obeyed all of the commands from above - he is more prudent and has greater understanding of the situation than any of us.
Title: Interesting point
Post by: Belloc on April 19, 2010, 07:08:08 AM: Honest to defend him, but true, there are many trying to divide the SSPX brethern.....
Title: Interesting point
Post by: gladius_veritatis on April 19, 2010, 09:42:58 AM: Quote from: Jamie
What I find shocking is how many people are willing to build a cult of personality around Bishop Williamson by speaking out against his superiors actions.

Which remark fails to address the substance of any comments that have been made -- but merely takes the "they wear cassocks" path, as if that makes their actions beyond any and all consideration or comment.

Is Benedict XVI YOUR "superior"? Do you ever "speak out" against his actions? If so, you have an inconsistency that you need to address.

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I can assure you that his Lordship would not be pleased to see people defend him by going against the Society.

Thank you for the assurance, something we must accept solely upon your word.
Title: Interesting point
Post by: gladius_veritatis on April 19, 2010, 09:44:58 AM: Quote from: Matthew
If the pope is guilty of nothing at all, of what specifically, then, is Bishop Williamson guilty?

He made the SSPX "look bad" before the world, albeit according to the standards of the world.
Title: Interesting point
Post by: gladius_veritatis on April 19, 2010, 10:54:49 AM: BTW, does anyone have any references that provide information about the use of titles like "Lordship", "Excellency", etc?

Is it proper to use them when a bishop does not possess ordinary jurisdiction? Is there a norm either way?

Thank you in advance.
Title: Interesting point
Post by: Jamie on April 19, 2010, 11:39:56 AM: Quote from: gladius_veritatis
BTW, does anyone have any references that provide information about the use of titles like "Lordship", "Excellency", etc?

Is it proper to use them when a bishop does not possess ordinary jurisdiction? Is there a norm either way?

Thank you in advance.

I have (in both New Zealand and England) only ever heard traditional Bishops referred to as "My Lord" when addressed directly. This applies to both SSPX and non-SSPX traditional Bishops (Bishop Rifan to be exact and the two SSPX Bishops I have met - one of whom is his Lordship Bishop Williamson).

As they are Catholic Bishops I see no reason that the terms would not be used. I would, however, avoid using them in relation to pretender Bishops such as the Anglican clergy.
Title: Interesting point
Post by: gladius_veritatis on April 19, 2010, 12:09:10 PM: I have heard and used the terms frequently myself. My question is: Is it correct -- is it a practice with a solid foundation?

Thank you for sharing your experience, Jamie. It is probably common enough. I am simply wondering if it is in harmony with Catholic teaching and practice from before V2, or if it is an "abuse" that has crept into Traddieland, however innocently or understandably.