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Interesting comment on Fr. Leonard Feeney by his Jesuit superior
« on: November 29, 2023, 10:04:06 PM »
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  • I was reading the description of this book set and noticed a very interesting line.
    https://stritabooks.com/abante/complete-manual-of-dogmatic-theology?keyword=sermons&category_id=0

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    Many Catholics living today can remember when priests were well trained in theology and could express the Faith properly in their sermons and in their writing. That is because they were given sound teaching at the seminary in Logic, Philosophy, and Dogmatic Theology from textbooks such as this 12 volume set. The famous Pohle-Preuss manual was used in many seminaries in America and other countries prior to the 1950's when seminary training began to go downhill.

    This particular manual was used in the Jesuit seminary where Fr. Leonard Feeney, who was one called by his Jesuit superior "the greatest theologian we have in America...by far" was trained. This beautiful hardbound series is an exact reproduction of the edition originally published in 1911, and it was written by Rt. Rev. Msgr. Joseph Pohle an edited by Arthur Preuss.

    Joseph Pohle was a Jesuit and one of the founding faculty members of the Catholic University of America as well as a frequent contributor to the Catholic Encyclopedia. He died in 1922 after having produced one of the clearest and most succinct and useful systematic studies of Catholic theology ever published. This series is invaluable for priests, seminarians, and anyone interested in a systematic study of dogmatic theology.
    What an interesting comment of praise. I think this is the same Feeney is that is wrongly attacked by many trads today..

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    Re: Interesting comment on Fr. Leonard Feeney by his Jesuit superior
    « Reply #1 on: November 30, 2023, 01:55:12 PM »
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  • You are right.  I read books such as the Boston Hersey Case. His side of the story.  Fr. Feeney was defending the Church. Defending against those watering down the dogma of no salvation outside the church.  He was just as strong Fr. Coughlin on radio.  Both were gagged, by who?  Vatican? Who? God will have His day!
    Chances maybe that we will see both these priests in heaven.


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    Re: Interesting comment on Fr. Leonard Feeney by his Jesuit superior
    « Reply #2 on: November 30, 2023, 02:08:08 PM »
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  • You are right.  I read books such as the Boston Hersey Case. His side of the story.  Fr. Feeney was defending the Church. Defending against those watering down the dogma of no salvation outside the church.  He was just as strong Fr. Coughlin on radio.  Both were gagged, by who?  Vatican? Who? God will have His day!
    Chances maybe that we will see both these priests in heaven.

    Father Feeney was gagged by multiple people.  Bobby Kennedy heard Father Feeney speak and complained to Cushing about it.  Then there were a lot of Jews being converted at Harvard, so the Jews complained to Cushing (his sister was married to a Jew and they may have been cryptos).  Father Feeney's Jesuit superiors in the 1940s were open Modernist heretics, and they silenced him due to pressure from Cushing, although being Jesuits and believing in free thinking, they were somewhat reluctant to do so.  Finally, there were clearly some machinations from Cushing here, where he solicited that so-called Suprema Haec from the Holy Office, a docuмent which never appeared in Acta Apostolicae Sedis, and was therefore not considered authentic Magisterium, and which was only published in Cushing's own Irish Ecclesiastical Review, and only almost two years after it was allegedly written and signed, right after the Cardinal who allegedly signed it had died.  Cushing himself was a manifest heretic, as a biographer (who was favorable to him) quoted him as having said, "No salvation outside the Church?  Nonsense.  Nobody [including the Church, I guess, via dogmatic definition] is gonna tell me that Christ came to die for any select group." and at another time saying he'd never met anyone he thought might go to Hell.

    Father Feeney, much maligned today by Trads (even more than conservative Novus Ordites), was the only one who basically saw Vatican II coming and who identified, beforehand, the root theological error behind Vatican II.

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    Re: Interesting comment on Fr. Leonard Feeney by his Jesuit superior
    « Reply #3 on: November 30, 2023, 03:02:47 PM »
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  • I was reading the description of this book set and noticed a very interesting line.
    https://stritabooks.com/abante/complete-manual-of-dogmatic-theology?keyword=sermons&category_id=0
    What an interesting comment of praise. I think this is the same Feeney is that is wrongly attacked by many trads today..

    It is my understanding that Father Feeney was not a theologian.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Interesting comment on Fr. Leonard Feeney by his Jesuit superior
    « Reply #4 on: November 30, 2023, 04:58:24 PM »
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  • It is my understanding that Father Feeney was not a theologian.

    Not technically.  I think his Jesuit superior used the term loosely or broadly.


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    Re: Interesting comment on Fr. Leonard Feeney by his Jesuit superior
    « Reply #5 on: November 30, 2023, 05:16:56 PM »
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  • It is my understanding that Father Feeney was not a theologian.
    Not in the canonical sense of theologian, but Fr. Feeney was in the broad sense. He had completed the "long" form of the Jesuit scholasticate reserved from the "bright", he did post-graduate studies at Oxford, and he was a seminary professor in homiletics. Even modernist Avery Cardinal Dulles expressed gratitude to Feeney for the sound theological foundation he had planted in seminarians even if Dulles himself had strayed from those foundations.
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    Re: Interesting comment on Fr. Leonard Feeney by his Jesuit superior
    « Reply #6 on: December 01, 2023, 02:11:32 PM »
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  • "The greatest theologian we have in the United States, by far."

    - Rev. John J. McEleny, S.J. (Father Feeney's Jesuit Provincial)



    "The greatest theologian in the Catholic Church today."

    - John Cardinal Wright (but later an enemy to the Center)



    "One of the most outstanding prophets of our time."

    - Hamish Fraser



    Concerning “Bread of Life” by Fr. Leonard Feeney  --
     
    Pope John XXIII assigned Monsignor Francis Cassano (deceased) to review and examine Bread of Life by Father Leonard Feeney.  He was to find any errors - nay, heresy.  He reported there was nothing "contrary to faith" in Bread of Life.  Msgr. Cassano eventually had a parish on the Hudson River and attested his conclusion to many people, including the Center itself.  (This Monsignor was not a "nobody" - he had also been assigned by Rome to investigate the case of the mystic stigmatist, Mother Aiello.)  We hear lots of calumnies from Rome (and others) about Fr. Feeney

     … But we never seem to hear of this particular report by Msgr. Cassano – which found no flaw in Father’s famous book, “Bread of Life.”



    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

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    Re: Interesting comment on Fr. Leonard Feeney by his Jesuit superior
    « Reply #7 on: December 01, 2023, 03:54:54 PM »
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  • John Alexander Floersh (d. 1967), Archbishop of Louisville,  prior to Vat II the Jesuits asked Abp. Floersh if they had permission to hear confessions in Louisville, and the Abp. replied "absolutely not."  A priest ordained in 1943 told me that story.  The Jesuits were filled with heresy long before Vatican II.  No wonder the Jesuits and other modernists hated Fr. Feeney for preaching Extra Ecclesiam. 

    I uploaded a PDF of the book/chapter by Josephine Van Dyke Brownson (Orestes Brownson's granddaughter), Living Forever (1928).  She has a chapter on "Baptism of Desire and of Blood."  She says stuff that her grandfather never said, and never would say.  I will not critique here what she said, but perhaps we can start another thread on what she says.  This is just evidence that the whole Baptism of Desire nonsense was propagated long before the liberal Jesuits in the 30's, 40's, and 50's. 
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    Re: Interesting comment on Fr. Leonard Feeney by his Jesuit superior
    « Reply #8 on: December 02, 2023, 10:56:41 AM »
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  • Unfortunately, on this forum Father Feeney is relegated to the virtual ghetto :facepalm:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Interesting comment on Fr. Leonard Feeney by his Jesuit superior
    « Reply #9 on: December 02, 2023, 11:29:58 AM »
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  • Fr. Feeney ran afoul of Cardinal Cushing because Cushing felt that Feeney was attacking his sister and brother in law and because young Bobby Kennedy complained about him. Cushinf was unjust. 
    But Fr did wrong by not obeying his superior and going to his new assignment. He was wrong in setting up that cultish living arrangement with his followers. He was wrong to break up married couples. He was wrong to forbid the children of his followers to be raised by their parents. He was wrong in attacking Maisie Ward his former friend and publisher. He was wrong in making fun of Mother Cabrini.

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    Re: Interesting comment on Fr. Leonard Feeney by his Jesuit superior
    « Reply #10 on: December 02, 2023, 01:57:41 PM »
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  • Were you there?
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"


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    Re: Interesting comment on Fr. Leonard Feeney by his Jesuit superior
    « Reply #11 on: December 04, 2023, 05:35:42 AM »
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  • Were you there?
    I was in 1973 for a week, and can say I have no idea where some of these people come up with that type of bs.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Interesting comment on Fr. Leonard Feeney by his Jesuit superior
    « Reply #12 on: December 04, 2023, 09:39:01 AM »
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  • Fr. Feeney ran afoul of Cardinal Cushing because Cushing felt that Feeney was attacking his sister and brother in law and because young Bobby Kennedy complained about him. Cushinf was unjust.
    But Fr did wrong by not obeying his superior and going to his new assignment. He was wrong in setting up that cultish living arrangement with his followers. He was wrong to break up married couples. He was wrong to forbid the children of his followers to be raised by their parents. He was wrong in attacking Maisie Ward his former friend and publisher. He was wrong in making fun of Mother Cabrini.
    Were you there?  
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

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    Re: Interesting comment on Fr. Leonard Feeney by his Jesuit superior
    « Reply #13 on: December 04, 2023, 10:01:38 AM »
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  • Fr. Feeney ran afoul of Cardinal Cushing because Cushing felt that Feeney was attacking his sister and brother in law and because young Bobby Kennedy complained about him. Cushinf was unjust.
    But Fr did wrong by not obeying his superior and going to his new assignment. He was wrong in setting up that cultish living arrangement with his followers. He was wrong to break up married couples. He was wrong to forbid the children of his followers to be raised by their parents. He was wrong in attacking Maisie Ward his former friend and publisher. He was wrong in making fun of Mother Cabrini.
    I assume you're a Lefebvrite, correct? Is it also true that you're disobedient to what you perceive to be an Ecuмenical Council promulgated with Paul VI's so-called apostolic authority and over 60 years of encylicals, laws, disciplines, apostolic exhortations, etc., etc. from what you perceive to be the Catholic hierarchy?

    If that is true, how can you consistently reproach Fr. Feeney for disobeying a vile heretic, B'nai B'rith man of the year, who called the salvation dogma nonsense and pioneered ecuмenical meetings while at the same time being okay with rejecting an ecuмenical council?

    I don't know about those other things you mentioned, I doubt Feeney was doing anything obviously evil. In any case, the reason he was persecuted was because he preached no salvation outside the Church without compromise while the apostate hierarchs were getting ready to prove their faithlessness at Vatican II, completely vindicating Fr. Feeney who was pretty much the only one screaming that something is terribly wrong.

    I invite everyone who has a negative impression of Feeney to listen (5 min) to his letter to Pius XII and reconsider: 

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    Re: Interesting comment on Fr. Leonard Feeney by his Jesuit superior
    « Reply #14 on: December 04, 2023, 10:15:02 AM »
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  • I assume you're a Lefebvrite, correct? Is it also true that you're disobedient to what you perceive to be an Ecuмenical Council promulgated with Paul VI's so-called apostolic authority and over 60 years of encylicals, laws, disciplines, apostolic exhortations, etc., etc. from what you perceive to be the Catholic hierarchy?

    If that is true, how can you consistently reproach Fr. Feeney for disobeying a vile heretic, B'nai B'rith man of the year, who called the salvation dogma nonsense and pioneered ecuмenical meetings while at the same time being okay with rejecting an ecuмenical council?

    Not only this, but the sedevacantists who attack Father Feeney for disobeying Cushing are also in self-contradiction.  See, if ever there was a manifest heretic it was Cushing.  "No salvation outside the Church?  Nonsense." ... just to take one of dozens of heretical statements he made in public.  According to SV principles, then, Cushing was a manifest heretic and therefore no longer the Cardinal Archbishop of Boston.