Author Topic: Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest (Read 8148 times)

Capt McQuigg · « **on:** April 01, 2012, 08:59:55 PM »

Please venture forth your opinion of this organization.

This isn't intended as a joke or a game of 'gotcha'. Is this organization considered "indult"?

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #1 on:** April 01, 2012, 09:32:07 PM »

Well, it is led by a man who pretends he is a monsignor, which means he is both worldly and ambitious.

Not a great mix for a founder of a religious order.

Additionally, they seem to be more concerned with living a Baroque lifestyle than priestly vocations.

Finally, they are not principled, doctrinal traditionalists (i.e., they will have no issue with saying the Novus Ordo from time to time, and adhere to the tired line that there are no heresies in Vatican II docs, just bad interpretations).

Lots of focus on accidentals.

I was a postulant there for a year.

Thorn · « **Reply #2 on:** April 02, 2012, 12:20:58 AM »

Wow! Seraphim! Interesting. I don't know anything about them but am very interested. I'd never heard anything really bad about them. I think they would be considered indult, right?

Aragon · « **Reply #3 on:** April 02, 2012, 07:13:54 AM »

Quote from: Seraphim

Well, it is led by a man who pretends he is a monsignor, which means he is both worldly and ambitious.

Not a great mix for a founder of a religious order.

Additionally, they seem to be more concerned with living a Baroque lifestyle than priestly vocations.

Finally, they are not principled, doctrinal traditionalists (i.e., they will have no issue with saying the Novus Ordo from time to time, and adhere to the tired line that there are no heresies in Vatican II docs, just bad interpretations).

Lots of focus on accidentals.

I was a postulant there for a year.

Can you please tell us more about your time as a postulant? Also what made you go from an "indult" mentality to a presumably harder position on Vatican II, the New Mass, etc.

longtimetrad · « **Reply #4 on:** April 02, 2012, 08:44:32 AM »

They never say the Novus Ordo, because they don't know how. They don't learn it in the seminary.

tradne13838 · « **Reply #5 on:** April 02, 2012, 11:30:48 AM »

I heard that they use the pre-Pius XII Holy Week rubrics. That's about all I know besides what has already been said.

John Grace · « **Reply #6 on:** April 02, 2012, 01:41:29 PM »

Quote from: tradne13838

I heard that they use the pre-Pius XII Holy Week rubrics. That's about all I know besides what has already been said.

This is true but I find them superficial. A real smells and bells brigade and dressing altar boys up as little Cardinals.

The TFP connection can't be ignored and in Ireland they are connected to the Catholic Voice newspaper. A rag but I'm sorry to say, I have seen it for sale outside SSPX chapels. The newspaper advertises the 'approved' Latin Masses.

They might use the pre-Pius XII rubrics but I would stay clear of them.Just my personal opinion. I have met Msgr. Schmitz and a couple of their priests. As I said, I find them superficial. I would stick with the SSPX.

John Grace · « **Reply #7 on:** April 02, 2012, 01:57:43 PM »

Do they place any emphasis on doctrine and the social teachings? I'm a big believer in Catholic Action and religion and politics being linked. There is more to Catholicism than praying and being good. We are social apostles.

TraditionalistThomas · « **Reply #8 on:** April 02, 2012, 05:29:20 PM »

Seems like many here don't trust the ICKSP. Never had dealings with them. They look like an awesome fraternity.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #9 on:** April 02, 2012, 07:48:30 PM »

Quote from: Thorn

Wow! Seraphim! Interesting. I don't know anything about them but am very interested. I'd never heard anything really bad about them. I think they would be considered indult, right?

Yes.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #10 on:** April 02, 2012, 07:50:08 PM »

Quote from: Aragon

Quote from: Seraphim
Well, it is led by a man who pretends he is a monsignor, which means he is both worldly and ambitious.

Not a great mix for a founder of a religious order.

Additionally, they seem to be more concerned with living a Baroque lifestyle than priestly vocations.

Finally, they are not principled, doctrinal traditionalists (i.e., they will have no issue with saying the Novus Ordo from time to time, and adhere to the tired line that there are no heresies in Vatican II docs, just bad interpretations).

Lots of focus on accidentals.

I was a postulant there for a year.

Can you please tell us more about your time as a postulant? Also what made you go from an "indult" mentality to a presumably harder position on Vatican II, the New Mass, etc.

I read my first Fr. Fahey book.

Realized I could never oppose religious liberty/dignitatis humanae and work for the restoration of Christ the King if I joined the Institute of Christ the King.

Interesting, aint it?

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #11 on:** April 02, 2012, 07:51:45 PM »

Quote from: longtimetrad

They never say the Novus Ordo, because they don't know how. They don't learn it in the seminary.

Fr. Wach has said the new Mass.

Msgr Schmitz told me that if the local bishop asked them to say the new Mass, they would say it for the "good of the apostolate."

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #12 on:** April 02, 2012, 07:54:32 PM »

Quote from: tradne13838

I heard that they use the pre-Pius XII Holy Week rubrics. That's about all I know besides what has already been said.

Not really.

There is a priest in Rockford, IL who uses the 1954 Missal for his public daily Masses.

He prefers the 1954 to the revised Holy Week.

But I have never heard that he used it for actual Holy Week, or that they use it in their seminary (though I cannot state as fact that they don't, because I just don't know), but considering their "approval," I would find it hard to believe they did.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #13 on:** April 02, 2012, 07:55:56 PM »

Quote from: John Grace

Do they place any emphasis on doctrine and the social teachings? I'm a big believer in Catholic Action and religion and politics being linked. There is more to Catholicism than praying and being good. We are social apostles.

Like any conservative group, thay will place emphasis on any doctrine that does not imply rejection of V2.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #14 on:** April 02, 2012, 07:58:22 PM »

Quote from: John Grace

Quote from: tradne13838
I heard that they use the pre-Pius XII Holy Week rubrics. That's about all I know besides what has already been said.

This is true but I find them superficial. A real smells and bells brigade and dressing altar boys up as little Cardinals.

The TFP connection can't be ignored and in Ireland they are connected to the Catholic Voice newspaper. A rag but I'm sorry to say, I have seen it for sale outside SSPX chapels. The newspaper advertises the 'approved' Latin Masses.

They might use the pre-Pius XII rubrics but I would stay clear of them.Just my personal opinion. I have met Msgr. Schmitz and a couple of their priests. As I said, I find them superficial. I would stick with the SSPX.

Correct: Smells, bells, lace, high living, Baroque Romantics, breakfast before Mass at the seminary.