Author Topic: Insisting that Heretics can be Pope Makes a Mockery of Christ (Read 1091 times)

Lover of Truth · « **on:** February 18, 2010, 07:20:04 PM »

Matthew likes to suggest that even if SV were true that "it would SOLVE nothing".

Does anyone agree that if SV were true and all the Traditionalists united behind that fact that maybe we could get somewhere and those scandalized by the inconsistency of the SSPX position and the policies the SSPX and their off-shoots have of expelling anyone who publically disagrees with their current position on a topic are out on their keister without warning. Same with who can or cannot recieve the Eucharist.

Sedevacantism solves nothing? Apart from being the reality of the day it gets to the root causes of our problems.

Why does the "pope" worship with heretics on a regular basis and teach the world to do the same?

Why does he keep in force and maintain heretical canon law and doubtful sacraments?

Why has he taught heresy throughout his life?

Could the fact that he is not Pope have anything at all to do with it? Hmm.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #1 on:** February 18, 2010, 07:50:03 PM »

Your thread title doesn't even match the text of your post. I think that I would be speaking for many in saying that we grow weary of the spam posts advocating sedevacantism.

According to Bishop Gerard DesLauriers himself, no, sedevacantism can solve absolutely nothing, for the V2 popes remain materially popes.

I do agree that the SSPX should start asking questions instead of trying to play politics.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #2 on:** February 18, 2010, 08:00:51 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Your thread title doesn't even match the text of your post. I think that I would be speaking for many in saying that we grow weary of the spam posts advocating sedevacantism.

According to Bishop Gerard DesLauriers himself, no, sedevacantism can solve absolutely nothing, for the V2 popes remain materially popes.

I do agree that the SSPX should start asking questions instead of trying to play politics.

If they are not formal Popes they have no authority which is practical if not technical SV.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #3 on:** February 18, 2010, 08:48:08 PM »

But the point is that sedevacantism can in fact solve nothing if the V2 popes continue to materially hold the office--that in fact being the one major practical consequence of the Thesis Cassiciacuм.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #4 on:** February 18, 2010, 09:04:12 PM »

I think warlocks have taken over the Vatican infrastructure and they have been able to control what happens for many years. That's why they refused the 300 exorcists even to enter St. Peter's Square for the Wednesday Audience about 6 years ago.

Cardinal Law installed as Archpriest at Santa Maria Majiorre(sp) is a big hint. :devil2: :devil2:

Something ain't right over there.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 18, 2010, 10:09:43 PM »

Ladislaus said:

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But the point is that sedevacantism can in fact solve nothing if the V2 popes continue to materially hold the office--that in fact being the one major practical consequence of the Thesis Cassiciacuм.

Do you see any sedeprivationists here? Who cares about the practical consequences of a theory we don't maintain? It is totally outweighed by cuм Ex Apostolatus, which states that these "Popes," heretics before election, have no office whatsoever.

The Cassiciacuм Thesis might pertain to Pius XII after he taught NFP. It might even protect the likes of John XXIII and Paul VI, depending on how much proof there is that they were heretics before election. But it has nothing to do with JPI, JPII or Benedict XVI, who, by going along with VII before and after election, never had the office according to cuм Ex.

roscoe · « **Reply #6 on:** February 18, 2010, 10:21:46 PM »

Now that CM is gone I will attempt to take Raoul off IG. :smile:

Ladislaus · « **Reply #7 on:** February 19, 2010, 05:51:44 AM »

Quote from: Raoul76

Do you see any sedeprivationists here? Who cares about the practical consequences of a theory we don't maintain?

No, but there are enough of them out there that even the sedevacantist camp will not be able to agree on how this situation could be remedied (aka "solved").

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #8 on:** February 19, 2010, 05:50:41 PM »

Quote from: Elizabeth

I think warlocks have taken over the Vatican infrastructure and they have been able to control what happens for many years. That's why they refused the 300 exorcists even to enter St. Peter's Square for the Wednesday Audience about 6 years ago.

Cardinal Law installed as Archpriest at Santa Maria Majiorre(sp) is a big hint. :devil2: :devil2:

Something ain't right over there.

That brings up another point. Another thing the conciliar leaders, known as "popes" to some did is change the exorcism rite (to make it less offensive to demons I suppose).

I mean it is watered down like everything else they change. Even the NO exorcist expert said it does not work.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #9 on:** February 19, 2010, 05:54:46 PM »

Quote from: Raoul76

Ladislaus said:
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But the point is that sedevacantism can in fact solve nothing if the V2 popes continue to materially hold the office--that in fact being the one major practical consequence of the Thesis Cassiciacuм.

Do you see any sedeprivationists here? Who cares about the practical consequences of a theory we don't maintain? It is totally outweighed by cuм Ex Apostolatus, which states that these "Popes," heretics before election, have no office whatsoever.

The Cassiciacuм Thesis might pertain to Pius XII after he taught NFP. It might even protect the likes of John XXIII and Paul VI, depending on how much proof there is that they were heretics before election. But it has nothing to do with JPI, JPII or Benedict XVI, who, by going along with VII before and after election, never had the office according to cuм Ex.

Here I can actually agree with Raoul. John 23 and Paul 6 up until 1964 could have been material Popes (which is the same as being none-popes as they had no doctrinal authority).

I would also agree that what matters is now and Father Joseph Ratzinger is and always has been a heretic.

And anyone who claims that anyone after montini/Paul 6 after he approved Lumen Gentium which redefined the Church were defineately valid and licit Popes are either not honest or lack any knowledge on the topic.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #10 on:** February 19, 2010, 05:56:36 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: Raoul76
Do you see any sedeprivationists here? Who cares about the practical consequences of a theory we don't maintain?

No, but there are enough of them out there that even the sedevacantist camp will not be able to agree on how this situation could be remedied (aka "solved").

Even those who hold the materialiter theory would agree with the pure SV that the heretics should "pack their bags and go" from the Vatican and let Catholics take their place. Forever and ever. Amen!!!