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Infiltrator and Infighter - Coomaraswamy
« on: December 10, 2008, 01:31:39 AM »
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  • From the:

    Maurice Pinay Blog

    See:

    Rama Coomaraswamy and the Great Game

    http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2008/12/rama-coomaraswamy-and-great-game.html

    This is a very good short discussion on the harm that Coomaraswamy did to the Traditionalist movement.

     


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    « Reply #1 on: December 10, 2008, 01:03:38 PM »
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  • hmm, I have heard of this guy before but don't really know much about him - it did seem like there were some nut jobs on there though coming up with some outrageous and ridiculous conclusions about stuff (specifically the SSPX being a masonic organization)...  


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    « Reply #2 on: December 10, 2008, 02:35:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: trent13
    hmm, I have heard of this guy before but don't really know much about him - it did seem like there were some nut jobs on there though coming up with some outrageous and ridiculous conclusions about stuff (specifically the SSPX being a masonic organization)...  


    Maurice Pinay countered that one commentor quite well.

    Coomaraswamy and Malachi Martin were two subverters who worked for the complete destruction of the Traditional movement while pretending to be traditional.


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    « Reply #3 on: December 10, 2008, 06:38:35 PM »
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  • I gathered that that was the general message, but to be honest I don't know enough about either of them to agree or not.  I am curious though where one gets those ideas from - everything that I heard about Malachi Martin (specifically from people who like reading his books) has been good.

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    « Reply #4 on: December 11, 2008, 07:05:10 AM »
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  •     Malachi Martin was interviewed by Art Bell in Coast to Coast radio . I heard him say Christ "bled like a pig" on the cross. There was silence on the radio while Martin stubled to get his words striaght. Even Art Bell had the common sense to know that you don't compare the one you worship with a pig. Satanic slip up.

         Martin was always covering for Pope John Paul II. It was the hero JPII verses all the liberals in the Church. Just like the lies from the media which paraded Ronald Reagan and the Bushes as conservatives.

         For all you Marionologists that hate my guts, Martin used to hand out rosaries. Time to do the math.

        None of this should be too surprising considering we were warned about end times betrayal, even on immediate family level.


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    « Reply #5 on: December 11, 2008, 08:12:08 AM »
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  • I have read some of the Doctor's writings. Never found a problem in them. I was reading the comments posted and found that there was a lot of questioning of everyone from
    Coomaraswamy  to Martin to Lefebvre and even Hutton Gibson. Question, I always thought Maurice Pinay's site to be  sede. Is it? And, then, if there is a problem with the Novus Ordo, and the SSPX, and the SSPV then where in the world do these people attend Mass.  
    And finally, is it ever possible for someone who was a sinner and even involved in the occult to go to confession and then become a teacher or even a priest? Because the truth in my case is that these men have taught me much and lead me to learn more about my faith and try to be a better Catholic.

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    « Reply #6 on: December 11, 2008, 10:41:08 AM »
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  • Smoke and mirrors.

    That is what Coomaraswamy and Malachi Martin were all about.

    To parody the truth is not the same as the truth.

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    « Reply #7 on: December 11, 2008, 10:58:27 AM »
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  • Again I ask. If the Novus Ordo is wrong ( I always though Pinay was sede) and the SSPX is full of Masonic liars, and the SSPV is wrong, then where do these people find a priest to say the Mass? And just what if these men were sinners and repented? There are in fact quite a few priests (that no one has dug up their until now hidden pasts) that say these were good men. Fr. Paul Wickens for one off the top of my head. So these men who knew them personally were all dupes and only a few with the skills of Sherlock Holmes (yes, I know written by a Mason) can come with all of this information.
    And what on earth is a Marionologist? Someone who studies Mary? That is wrong too? Did you mean Marianist? I can see how someone putting Mary before God is wrong, but to know oneself as a sinner and to go to Mary for intercession, when in fact God said she would be the one in the end to crush the head of a serpent, can not be wrong in anyway.
    This is where things got on Angelqueen and once a sinner you were always doubtful which is when I left. You see I was and still am a sinner. But I went to confession and try in my own goofy way to do the right thing and lead people to Christ.
    However, since my father is an atheist I would always be suspect.


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    « Reply #8 on: December 11, 2008, 12:49:15 PM »
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  • It almost comes across as too much witch-huntish...

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    « Reply #9 on: December 11, 2008, 01:45:56 PM »
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  • My thoughts exactly. All are dead and can't defend themselves.

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    « Reply #10 on: December 11, 2008, 03:02:11 PM »
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  • Throughout history there have been those who know how to appear Orthodox and use this to hide nefarious activity. They have names like Boniface, Wolsey, Spellman and Martin. I am unaware of the other person Coomswarmy.

    Acc to TCW, Martin was closely involved with the v2 scam but repented and died an honest Catholic. Anyone who is on friendly terms with Art Baal is suspect imo.

    Art Baal's mother is unique in her own way. I once heard Art say that his mother was the first female drill instructor in the USMC
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    « Reply #11 on: December 11, 2008, 04:08:14 PM »
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  • Quote from: Dawn
    Again I ask. If the Novus Ordo is wrong ( I always though Pinay was sede) and the SSPX is full of Masonic liars, and the SSPV is wrong, then where do these people find a priest to say the Mass? And just what if these men were sinners and repented? There are in fact quite a few priests (that no one has dug up their until now hidden pasts) that say these were good men. Fr. Paul Wickens for one off the top of my head. So these men who knew them personally were all dupes and only a few with the skills of Sherlock Holmes (yes, I know written by a Mason) can come with all of this information.
    And what on earth is a Marionologist? Someone who studies Mary? That is wrong too? Did you mean Marianist? I can see how someone putting Mary before God is wrong, but to know oneself as a sinner and to go to Mary for intercession, when in fact God said she would be the one in the end to crush the head of a serpent, can not be wrong in anyway.
    This is where things got on Angelqueen and once a sinner you were always doubtful which is when I left. You see I was and still am a sinner. But I went to confession and try in my own goofy way to do the right thing and lead people to Christ.
    However, since my father is an atheist I would always be suspect.


    Are you saying "SSPX is full of Masonic liars, and the SSPV is wrong," because Pinay didn't say that and I didn't say that. People post to Pinay sometimes in order to confuse the issue. His topic is Coomaraswamy, and that is what I brought up as well. However, Martin did a lot of harm. If he did repent, and there is strong evidence for that, then wonderful. Martin's book "Windswept House" and the subsequent murder of Malachi Martin by the Satanists would indicate that Martin repented and no longer covered for the Freemasons.

    As to your question about sinners, if sinners can't be saved then the Gospel would make no sense - Jesus said He came not to call the righteous but sinners.

    Mk:2:17:
    17  Jesus hearing this, saith to them: They that are well have no need of a physician, but they that are sick. For I came not to call the just, but sinners. (DRV)

    Finally, not everyone who says they are Traditional actually is.

    The Novus Ordo is not traditional.
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    "However, since my father is an atheist I would always be suspect."

    This has nothing to do with your status before Christ.

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    There are those who put a lot of stock in all of the Marian Apparitions. There is no Public Revelation after the last book in the Bible, namely the Apocalypse - The Book of the Revelation. Blaming Mary for someones' false visions causes a lot of harm. The Blessed Virgin Mary didn't do it.

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    « Reply #12 on: December 11, 2008, 04:55:40 PM »
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    « Reply #13 on: December 11, 2008, 05:45:10 PM »
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  • No, I did not say that . A commentary said they were full of Masons. And, many good priests have stood up and said that Fr. Martin repented and was from that point on a good Catholic. So, for anyone to continue to muck up his name is to call them liars and to slander Fr. Martin. And, many good priests were friends with Coomaraswamy. They would know better than us what his character was.
    And, my point is that since it has been stated by his deathbed confessor (was it Fr. Wickens? I think so) that Martin died a Catholic, why the heck spend so much time running this man into the ground.
    Because as trads there is a tendency to doubt everything. And for good reason. But, there is also a tendency to take everything to the extreme. Look at the comments on Archbisop Marcel Lefbvre. Another lion of the Church. It is dispicable  in my mind to wonder and talk of things that no one is even remotely certain of.
    And, some of these crap rumors on Martin came from some freak sodomite who propositioned him and was turned down. A worthy source?
    The only problem I had with Martin is that he could not overcome his respect of the Polish Pope and call him what he was, a destroyer of the Church.

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    « Reply #14 on: December 11, 2008, 05:52:53 PM »
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  • Just remembered two other priests who worked closely with Fr. Martin. Father Charles Fiore and Father Alfred Kuntz. The later by the way was working with Fiore and Martin to bring to light a truly satanic Cardinal Bernardin and his den of satanic homo sex perverts. Father Kuntz was murdered. This is my last reply to this post I think is just B.S.
    Works the other way  too ya know. Satan hates Godly priests even in their death. And to trash their reputations makes it easier to keep up his work with the real satanists.