Author Topic: Infallibility: Ecclesial and Papal... (Read 1403 times)

gladius_veritatis · « **on:** August 23, 2009, 05:40:02 AM »

Roscoe,

Clearly you have problems with Papal Infallibility. Does your argument extend to Ecclesial Infallibility as well? IOW, is Holy Church infallible? If not, what does the perpetual assistance of the Holy Ghost mean? Why does she exist at all?

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #1 on:** August 23, 2009, 05:47:07 AM »

If God is our guide, He cannot and will not make a mistake. If Holy Church COULD and DID make mistakes, she would be, practically speaking, worthless as an aid for salvation.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #2 on:** August 23, 2009, 05:49:21 AM »

How can a man be the head of a body/society that is an infallible guide in matters of salvation without, in some manner, participating in the exercise of said infallibility?

CM · « **Reply #3 on:** August 23, 2009, 09:02:37 PM »

Gladius please define what your distinction is between Papal infallibility and Ecclesial infallibility.

CM · « **Reply #4 on:** August 24, 2009, 02:28:44 AM »

:scratchchin: :confused1:

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #5 on:** August 24, 2009, 02:30:21 AM »

Are you confused that I, like all men, cannot be in more than one place at a time? I will get to this when I get to it, CM. Go have a beer or something! :wink: :cheers: :wink:

CM · « **Reply #6 on:** August 24, 2009, 02:34:00 AM »

I don't drink beer. But I might go for a run.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #7 on:** August 24, 2009, 02:57:40 AM »

Quote from: Catholic Martyr

I don't drink beer. But I might go for a run.

Run to the store, buy some beer, and begin a new regimen! :wink:

Scotch? Absinthe? Cough medicine? Wine coolers? O'Doul's? :wink:

CM · « **Reply #8 on:** August 24, 2009, 03:31:58 AM »

Green tea with lemon.
Reverse osmosis water.
Broccoli/apple/carrot juice.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #9 on:** August 24, 2009, 03:43:28 AM »

I shall pray for you. :wink:

Once the world is renewed, should we meet, I shall expect you to share an ale with me. :cheers:

CM · « **Reply #10 on:** August 24, 2009, 04:17:44 AM »

Once I'm certain you accept all the correct Catholic positions and reject the heresies I know you to hold, I would indeed and most certainly be honoured.

CM · « **Reply #11 on:** August 28, 2009, 04:22:52 AM »

I don't have seminary training, but I have to say that the infallibility of the Church comes through Blessed Peter and his successors, when they meet the criteria laid out in the Vatican Council. In other words, as you probably guessed the instant you saw my request above, I believe Ecclesial infallibility IS Papal infallibility, with the exception of the Ordinary and Universal Magisterium, which is also infallible (to be believed by Divine and Catholic faith, meaning Divinely revealed, so infallibility is clear).

CM · « **Reply #12 on:** August 30, 2009, 03:31:47 AM »

Tacit agreement?

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #13 on:** August 30, 2009, 03:48:10 AM »

Quote from: Catholic Martyr

In other words, as you probably guessed the instant you saw my request above, I believe Ecclesial infallibility IS Papal infallibility, with the exception of the Ordinary and Universal Magisterium, which is also infallible (to be believed by Divine and Catholic faith, meaning Divinely revealed, so infallibility is clear).

That is pretty much it, CM. She also is incapable of approving universal disciplines that are harmful to souls, etc.

CM · « **Reply #14 on:** August 30, 2009, 03:50:58 AM »

That is useful information in condemning BoD.