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Author Topic: Indefectiblity: Fr. Cekada v. Fr. Chazel  (Read 2686 times)

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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Indefectiblity: Fr. Cekada v. Fr. Chazel
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2021, 04:21:04 PM »
Quote from: Yeti on April 25, 2021, 04:17:02 PM
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I'm not sure I follow your point, but no sentence of any kind can be passed against a true pope.
Just call it a declaration then. 
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Indefectiblity: Fr. Cekada v. Fr. Chazel
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2021, 04:21:39 PM »
Quote from: Yeti on April 25, 2021, 04:17:02 PM
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I'm not sure I follow your point, but no sentence of any kind can be passed against a true pope.

You should go back in time and tell that to Cajetan, John of St. Thomas, Billuart, Billot, Torquemada, and Vittoria.  

All acknowledge that the Church can declare that God has deposed the pope.
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Offline Yeti

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Re: Indefectiblity: Fr. Cekada v. Fr. Chazel
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2021, 04:36:24 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 25, 2021, 04:21:39 PM
All acknowledge that the Church can declare that God has deposed the pope.
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Yes, that is my understanding too. It is not human beings who depose a pope, but they can only acknowledge that he has lost his office already, or, as you put it, been deposed by God.
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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Indefectiblity: Fr. Cekada v. Fr. Chazel
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2021, 04:56:13 PM »
Quote from: Yeti on April 25, 2021, 04:36:24 PM
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Yes, that is my understanding too. It is not human beings who depose a pope, but they can only acknowledge that he has lost his office already, or, as you put it, been deposed by God.
Fine. You took "sentence" in the wrong way.

Fr. Chazal quotes, for example, Wernz-Vidal:

"A declaratory sentence of the crime, however, is not excluded, as long as it is merely declaratory."
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Offline Yeti

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Re: Indefectiblity: Fr. Cekada v. Fr. Chazel
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2021, 05:05:21 PM »
I think the three of us agree, just like in Belloc's Christmas carol:
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May all good fellows that here agree
Drink Audit Ale in heaven with me.
And may all my enemies go to hell
Noel! Noel! Noel! Noel!
May all my enemies go to hell
Noel! Noel!
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