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Re: In Memory of Thuc by Gerard des Lauriers
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2024, 06:30:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 11, 2024, 06:21:26 AM
    Yes, that’s what he’s saying, that it’s well researched with much factual information … for those who are capable of sifting out the author’s bias.  In the intro on Amazon (not sure who wrote it), you can see a strong bias against sedevacantism.  Also talks about +Thuc working with the CIA to bolster a corrupt government … which is your perspective if you’re not anti-Communist.
    I've got to think there are better books/articles out there where one can find the "factual" information WITHOUT the bias.  I wouldn't touch that book with a ten foot pole.
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    Re: In Memory of Thuc by Gerard des Lauriers
    « Reply #31 on: January 11, 2024, 06:35:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on January 11, 2024, 06:30:30 AM
    I've got to think there are better books/articles out there where one can find the "factual" information WITHOUT the bias.  I wouldn't touch that book with a ten foot pole.

    If someone knows of such a book, by all means post it.  I haven’t seen any.  As Elwin said, you should be able to filter out the bias.  Heck, you could take the information presented and write one yourself from a Catholic perspective.
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    Re: In Memory of Thuc by Gerard des Lauriers
    « Reply #32 on: January 11, 2024, 08:48:00 AM »
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    • Quote from: AMDGJMJ on January 11, 2024, 05:32:42 AM
    I am excited to read this!  What a blessing that he actually took notes and wrote an autobiography.  I wish that there was one by Archbishop Lefebvre ...

    There is one, which is from some talks he gave at a convent.  i.e. It wasn't written as an autobiography, but spoken.

    LITTLE STORY OF MY LONG LIFE
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    Re: In Memory of Thuc by Gerard des Lauriers
    « Reply #33 on: January 11, 2024, 09:03:15 AM »
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    Re: In Memory of Thuc by Gerard des Lauriers
    « Reply #34 on: January 11, 2024, 11:53:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 11, 2024, 06:21:26 AM
    Yes, that’s what he’s saying, that it’s well researched with much factual information … for those who are capable of sifting out the author’s bias.  In the intro on Amazon (not sure who wrote it), you can see a strong bias against sedevacantism.  Also talks about +Thuc working with the CIA to bolster a corrupt government … which is your perspective if you’re not anti-Communist.
    Makes sense.  Thank you for explaining that.  👍
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    Re: In Memory of Thuc by Gerard des Lauriers
    « Reply #35 on: January 11, 2024, 11:54:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: Marie Teresa on January 11, 2024, 08:48:00 AM
    There is one, which is from some talks he gave at a convent.  i.e. It wasn't written as an autobiography, but spoken.

    LITTLE STORY OF MY LONG LIFE
    Oh!  How interesting!  Thank you for sharing!  :cowboy:
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    Re: In Memory of Thuc by Gerard des Lauriers
    « Reply #36 on: January 11, 2024, 02:41:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 11, 2024, 06:21:26 AM
    Yes, that’s what he’s saying, that it’s well researched with much factual information … for those who are capable of sifting out the author’s bias.  In the intro on Amazon (not sure who wrote it), you can see a strong bias against sedevacantism.  Also talks about +Thuc working with the CIA to bolster a corrupt government … which is your perspective if you’re not anti-Communist.
    Thank you for pointing that out Ladislaus!
    AMDGJMJ will you please share what the book says about CIA & Thuc, because
    Thuc clearly states in his autobiography that the CIA, and Henry Cabot Lodge were directly responsible for the murder of his 3 brothers. Thank you.
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    Re: In Memory of Thuc by Gerard des Lauriers
    « Reply #37 on: January 12, 2024, 08:34:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: Persto on January 11, 2024, 02:41:46 PM
    Thank you for pointing that out Ladislaus!
    AMDGJMJ will you please share what the book says about CIA & Thuc, because
    Thuc clearly states in his autobiography that the CIA, and Henry Cabot Lodge were directly responsible for the murder of his 3 brothers. Thank you.
    The book came in the mail yesterday.   I will try and remember to share anything related to the CIA with you once I get around to reading it. ;)
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    Re: In Memory of Thuc by Gerard des Lauriers
    « Reply #38 on: January 12, 2024, 12:46:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: AMDGJMJ on January 12, 2024, 08:34:33 AM
    The book came in the mail yesterday.  I will try and remember to share anything related to the CIA with you once I get around to reading it. ;)
    Thank you!
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    Re: In Memory of Thuc by Gerard des Lauriers
    « Reply #39 on: January 12, 2024, 04:58:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Persto on January 10, 2024, 05:17:01 PM
    https://tuannyriver.com/2018/08/08/ngo-dinh-thuc-anticommunist-and-ambitious-builder/

    Ngô Đình Thục: anticommunist and ambitious builder
    Thuc funeral of niece
    Paris, April 1967: Archbishop Thục officiating the funeral of his niece Ngô Đình Lệ Thủy, who was killed during an auto accident. On the right are Madame Nhu and her son. ~ pc manhhai on flick

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    Undated photo of Thục among Catholics in South Vietnam.
    Excerpt from the autobiography of +Thuc (3rd Chapter):

    Unfortunately it is Hué's lot to remain poor since the Vietcong (Communists) crept in throughout my diocese that was about 50 kilometres away from the Communist border.  The Communist Guerrillas invaded our two provinces and forbade our priests to repay the loans to the government in Saigon.  An unimaginable accusation from Archbishop Dién resulted from this situation. He had been named successor at the seat in Hué by the Holy See when I was banished to Europe.  At the time he accused me of pocketing the millions that Saigon had lent for reforestation.

        The Holy Congregation for Propagation of the Faith wrote me a letter that reported this infamous accusation the moment I returned to Rome, after I had buried my niece.  She was my brother Nhu’s eldest daughter; she was run over near Paris by two trucks driven by Americans.  

        I answered the Holy Congregation immediately that they should let my accuser be known: first, that Bishop Diên, who lives in the bishop’s palace constructed with my own money, ask the Father Procurator of the mission residing in the Bishop palace to hand over the docuмents relevant to the loans granted to the parishes for the reforestation;  second, that Bishop Diên should inspect the large coconut and filao plantation near Langeô; third, Didn’t Bishop Diên collect the rent from the building I constructed myself, which is across from the house that he lives in?; finally, I reserve the right to quote him in the court of Rota because of slander.

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    Re: In Memory of Thuc by Gerard des Lauriers
    « Reply #40 on: January 12, 2024, 05:06:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Persto on January 12, 2024, 04:58:24 PM
    At the time he accused me of pocketing the millions that Saigon had lent for reforestation.

    Suuuuure, that's why Archbishop Thuc couldn't afford just the rent at a dirty little apartment while working as a parish priest and then moved to a similar apartment in Parish ... because he pocketed millions.

    Montini deposed him from his See for being anti-Communist (just like he did with Cardinal Mindszenty) and replaced him with a Commie sympathizer.
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    Re: In Memory of Thuc by Gerard des Lauriers
    « Reply #41 on: January 12, 2024, 05:25:40 PM »
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    • In his Autobiography +Thuc talks about the very meager means he had to provide for his flock. He accomplished most of his building projects:  seminaries, residences, and University, by acquiring useless pieces of property that nobody wanted like sandy barren land, swampy land,land in the boonies, and an old Saigon cemetery that everybody used as a latrine due to lack of public restrooms. He was then able to turn these properties around and make them work for his projects. Also, it was not his idea to build a Catholic University, Rome ordered it. The country was impoverished, and no other Bishop would take on the project, so he volunteered, not knowing how it would be accomplished, solely trusting in prayer and God's Providence.
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    Re: In Memory of Thuc by Gerard des Lauriers
    « Reply #42 on: January 12, 2024, 05:56:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 12, 2024, 05:06:05 PM
    Montini deposed him from his See for being anti-Communist (just like he did with Cardinal Mindszenty) and replaced him with a Commie sympathizer.
    Excerpt from +Thuc Autobiography (Chapter3):

    Terrified by my threat of taking this story to the Roman court, Mgr Diên then asked me for forgiveness. There we have the sincerity of this excellent friend of Paul VI, the Pope, who had forced me to resign before the legal deadline so that Mgr. Diên would be named the Archbishop of Hué and could exercise his practice of extending a hand to the Communists in order to undermine the Saigon government. 
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    Re: In Memory of Thuc by Gerard des Lauriers
    « Reply #43 on: January 12, 2024, 07:27:41 PM »
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    • Excerpt from Autobiography of +Thuc (Chapter 4):

    My presence at the council far away from Vietnam saved my life. Otherwise, I would have been murdered like my three brothers, the president Diêm, Nhu and Cân.  While my colleagues from South Vietnam returned to Vietnam after the council’s conclusion, the Americans forced the South Vietnamese into refusing my return visa.  Frankly said, there was no reason to refuse this return:  The Vietnamese Embassy asked me to be patient while it conferred with the government in Saigon. I waited some months and turned to the Holy Father for help that permission would be granted so that I could return.

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    Re: In Memory of Thuc by Gerard des Lauriers
    « Reply #44 on: January 12, 2024, 07:31:29 PM »
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    • Excerpt from the Autobiography of +Thuc (Chapter 4):

      I do not know what the Holy Father Paul VI did, but he used the situation that I could not return to my diocese in Hué, to force me into abdication and appoint his favourite, Mgr. Dién, in my place.
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