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Re: Imposter Sister Lucy Contradict EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THE FATIMA MESSAGE
« Reply #45 on: October 16, 2019, 09:33:50 AM »
I think some people have difficulty living with uncertainty, and cook this stuff up to “make it all better.”

I will continue to impress upon all the glaring fact that this theory was unknown for 60 years, until hatched by an obscure sedevacantist.

One surely would have expected Br. Michael of the Holy Trinity (the world’s foremost Fatima historian, per his 3-volume book) to have delved into some of the areas posited in support of this theory, yet it all seems to have escaped him?  Not likely.

Re: Imposter Sister Lucy Contradict EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THE FATIMA MESSAGE
« Reply #46 on: October 16, 2019, 09:58:01 AM »
I think some people have difficulty living with uncertainty, and cook this stuff up to “make it all better.”

I will continue to impress upon all the glaring fact that this theory was unknown for 60 years, until hatched by an obscure sedevacantist.

One surely would have expected Br. Michael of the Holy Trinity (the world’s foremost Fatima historian, per his 3-volume book) to have delved into some of the areas posited in support of this theory, yet it all seems to have escaped him?  Not likely.
Then you accept the FACT that Br. Michael of the Holy Trinity was in total error about the messages of Lucia, since her interview with Evaristo totally contradicts Br. Michael of the Holy Trinity's books.


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1) Sister Lucy advises the Pope not to Reveal the Third Secret.

2) Consecration of Russia done by John Paul II on March 25, 1984 avoided a Nuclear War in 1985.

3) The Virgin never said that the Holy Father had to say the word "Russia" [during the consecration of Russia]....She said, "He will consecrate Russia to me, which will convert...and there will be peace." But that promised peace, refers to the wars and persecutions that the errors of Atheistic Communism were causing in al the world.

---- Interestingly enough, the video said that Sister Lucy had spent 50 YEARS IN A PAPAL CLOISTER in a covent in Coimbra.

In this interview, "Sister Lucy" wants to "clarify" the Message of Fatima. The Message that Carlos Evaristo considers has been the subject of "incorrect interpretations," over the years. 

4) The Consecration of Russia was accomplished by John Paul II on March 25, 1984.

5) The majority of the bishops participated an the fact that all did not was not relevant to its validity. 

6) Gorbachev was AN INSTRUMENT OF GOD IN THE PROCESS OF THE CONVERSION OF RUSSIA.

7) The fact that Russia was not referred to by name did not invalidate the consecration.

The consecration made by Pius XII, Paul VI, and JPII in 1982, were only partially complete for they lacked the collegial union of the bishops.

9) World War II was a war of atheism, a devil's war, a war also against the Jews who continue to be a Chosen People of God. Since he NEVER TOOK THAT PRIVILEGE AWAY FROM THEM. DESPITE THEIR REJECTION OF CHRIST.

10) "The Conversion of Russia has taken place."

11) Our Lady never said the CONVERSION OF RUSSIA WOULD BE TO CATHOLICISM. NOR TO CHRISTIANITY EVEN. It would be a conversion from militant atheism to that of any country that RESPECTS THE FREE WILL GIVEN TO MEN BY GOD.

12) "The Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary has already taken place." It began WHEN OUR LADY SAVED POPE JOHN PAUL II'S LIFE in Saint Peter's Square on May 13, 1981. The Triumph is an ongoing process. Peace from the Triumph is peace from the militant spread of atheism by Communist Russia, but that does mean that no world war will take place 

13) The annihilation of nations did not pertain to any physical war or a physical annihilation. 

14) Third Secret was just for the Pope. Sister Lucy was opposed to its public revelation. 

15) Carlos Evaristo insists that, based on what he heard from "Sister Lucy," Our Lady never said that the Secret was to be revealed by 1960. 

16) The meaning of the beginning of the Third Secret was that the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception would always be defended by the Portuguese.

17) What is "Sister Lucy's" great message to the world today? HE WHO IS NOT WITH THE POPE (John Paul II) IS NOT WITH GOD. He (John Paul II --- Pope of Assisi) is God's greatest representative on earth. 

18) The Consecration of Russia brought about a regime of religious liberty in which people could exercise free will, whether they would embrace Catholicism or not.

19) Lucy said that conversion of Russia is not to the Catholic faith but freedom to choose between good and evil. 


Re: Imposter Sister Lucy Contradict EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THE FATIMA MESSAGE
« Reply #47 on: October 16, 2019, 10:16:40 AM »
Then you accept the FACT that Br. Michael of the Holy Trinity was in total error about the messages of Lucia, since her interview with Evaristo totally contradicts Br. Michael of the Holy Trinity's books.
Tradhican-

I have no idea who Evaristo is.  Why should I care what he says (what are his qualifications, and what evidence does he have to back his claims)?

I respect Br. Michael’s work by reputation alone (ie., as a member of the Abbe de Nantes’ community, he would not be predisposed to regurgitate the Vatican party line), and I see it praised by both conciliarists and anti conciliarists.

I note that Br. Michael’s work is frequently recommended by Bishop Williamson (one who likewise would be suspicious of the Vatican party line on Fatima).

Ultimately, I want a good explanation of why this thesis was not made for 60 years.  

Re: Imposter Sister Lucy Contradict EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THE FATIMA MESSAGE
« Reply #48 on: October 16, 2019, 03:17:27 PM »
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Overview of the Evidence

  • 1. Multiple facial recognition analysis reports conducted by leading experts in the field
    including an analysis by a facial “super-recognizer.”
  • 2. Plastic surgeon report by a world-class plastic surgeon.
  • 3. Forensic art analysis by one the world’s foremost forensic artists.
  • 4. Handwriting analysis by a leading forensic handwriting expert, who has provided a
    sworn declaration along with his analysis.
  • 5. Dental analysis by a senior lecturer in periodontics.

I would say it would be "unsubstantiated presumption" (or something like that) to dismiss this evidence out of hand without studying it.  The difficulties that Sean listed are certainly nothing to make light of.  But those difficulties don't prove that the above evidence is false.

Re: Imposter Sister Lucy Contradict EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THE FATIMA MESSAGE
« Reply #49 on: October 16, 2019, 03:22:12 PM »
Tradhican-

I have no idea who Evaristo is.  Why should I care what he says (what are his qualifications, and what evidence does he have to back his claims)?

I respect Br. Michael’s work by reputation alone (ie., as a member of the Abbe de Nantes’ community, he would not be predisposed to regurgitate the Vatican party line), and I see it praised by both conciliarists and anti conciliarists.

I note that Br. Michael’s work is frequently recommended by Bishop Williamson (one who likewise would be suspicious of the Vatican party line on Fatima).

Ultimately, I want a good explanation of why this thesis was not made for 60 years.  
See this video:
Evaristo is a well-known and respected journalist.  It is unjust to accuse him of lying unless you have solid proof.  But there is public video of "Sr Lucy" saying these things in Spanish.  So trying to impeach Evaristo's character is only going to make his accusers look bad.