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| This Should Have Been Exposed a Generation Ago. In the interview of October 11th, 1993 between "Sister Lucy" and Carlos Evaristo, we find "Sister Lucy" actually speaking on video tape during the a one hour interview that was broadcast to all the major TV stations in Europe. The interview was conducted, not in Portuguese, but in Galician Spanish. The interview was then spoken about again by Evaristo in a taped program in 1998. Interestingly enough, Evaristo said that the tape was kept for 6 years in "humid conditions" which "accounted for the fuzzy image"] In this interview we find that "Sister Lucy" said the following: 1) Sister Lucy advises the Pope not to Reveal the Third Secret. 2) Consecration of Russia done by John Paul II on March 25, 1984 avoided a Nuclear War in 1985. 3) The Virgin never said that the Holy Father had to say the word "Russia" [during the consecration of Russia]....She said, "He will consecrate Russia to me, which will convert...and there will be peace." But that promised peace, refers to the wars and persecutions that the errors of Atheistic Communism were causing in al the world. ---- Interestingly enough, the video said that Sister Lucy had spent 50 YEARS IN A PAPAL CLOISTER in a covent in Coimbra. In this interview, "Sister Lucy" wants to "clarify" the Message of Fatima. The Message that Carlos Evaristo considers has been the subject of "incorrect interpretations," over the years. 4) The Consecration of Russia was accomplished by John Paul II on March 25, 1984. 5) The majority of the bishops participated an the fact that all did not was not relevant to its validity. 6) Gorbachev was AN INSTRUMENT OF GOD IN THE PROCESS OF THE CONVERSION OF RUSSIA. 7) The fact that Russia was not referred to by name did not invalidate the consecration. 8) The consecration made by Pius XII, Paul VI, and JPII in 1982, were only partially complete for they lacked the collegial union of the bishops. 9) World War II was a war of atheism, a devil's war, a war also against the Jєωs who continue to be a Chosen People of God. Since he NEVER TOOK THAT PRIVILEGE AWAY FROM THEM. DESPITE THEIR REJECTION OF CHRIST. 10) "The Conversion of Russia has taken place." 11) Our Lady never said the CONVERSION OF RUSSIA WOULD BE TO CATHOLICISM. NOR TO CHRISTIANITY EVEN. It would be a conversion from militant atheism to that of any country that RESPECTS THE FREE WILL GIVEN TO MEN BY GOD. 12) "The Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary has already taken place." It began WHEN OUR LADY SAVED POPE JOHN PAUL II'S LIFE in Saint Peter's Square on May 13, 1981. The Triumph is an ongoing process. Peace from the Triumph is peace from the militant spread of atheism by Communist Russia, but that does mean that no world war will take place 13) The annihilation of nations did not pertain to any physical war or a physical annihilation. 14) Third Secret was just for the Pope. Sister Lucy was opposed to its public revelation. 15) Carlos Evaristo insists that, based on what he heard from "Sister Lucy," Our Lady never said that the Secret was to be revealed by 1960. 16) The meaning of the beginning of the Third Secret was that the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception would always be defended by the Portuguese. 17) What is "Sister Lucy's" great message to the world today? HE WHO IS NOT WITH THE POPE (John Paul II) IS NOT WITH GOD. He (John Paul II --- Pope of Assisi) is God's greatest representative on earth. 18) The Consecration of Russia brought about a regime of religious liberty in which people could exercise free will, whether they would embrace Catholicism or not. 19) Lucy said that conversion of Russia is not to the Catholic faith but freedom to choose between good and evil. Evaristo and Novus Ordo friends insist that the "Sister Lucy" of the two interviews was the same person as the authentic Sister Lucy of Fatima. |
http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2019/10/why-did-we-not-see-this-25-years-ago.html
From Dr. Chojnowski,
Why Did We Not See this 25 Years Ago? Imposter Sister Lucy and a Facilitator of the Fake Fatima Message Contradict EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THE FATIMA MESSAGE. If this Person is the Real Sister Lucy, the Fatima Center Might as Well Close Down. Science and Math, however, Have Proven that it Was Not Her.
- October 08, 2019 (http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2019/10/why-did-we-not-see-this-25-years-ago.html)
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In the interview of October 11th, 1993 between "Sister Lucy" and Carlos Evaristo, we find "Sister Lucy" actually speaking on video tape during the a one hour interview that was broadcast to all the major TV stations in Europe. The interview was conducted, not in Portuguese, but in Galician Spanish. The interview was then spoken about again by Evaristo in a taped program in 1998. Interestingly enough, Evaristo said that the tape was kept for 6 years in "humid conditions" which "accounted for the fuzzy image"] In this interview we find that "Sister Lucy" said the following:
1) Sister Lucy advises the Pope not to Reveal the Third Secret.
2) Consecration of Russia done by John Paul II on March 25, 1984 avoided a Nuclear War in 1985.
3) The Virgin never said that the Holy Father had to say the word "Russia" [during the consecration of Russia]....She said, "He will consecrate Russia to me, which will convert...and there will be peace." But that promised peace, refers to the wars and persecutions that the errors of Atheistic Communism were causing in al the world.
---- Interestingly enough, the video said that Sister Lucy had spent 50 YEARS IN A PAPAL CLOISTER in a covent in Coimbra.
In this interview, "Sister Lucy" wants to "clarify" the Message of Fatima. The Message that Carlos Evaristo considers has been the subject of "incorrect interpretations," over the years.
4) The Consecration of Russia was accomplished by John Paul II on March 25, 1984.
5) The majority of the bishops participated an the fact that all did not was not relevant to its validity.
6) Gorbachev was AN INSTRUMENT OF GOD IN THE PROCESS OF THE CONVERSION OF RUSSIA.
7) The fact that Russia was not referred to by name did not invalidate the consecration.
8) The consecration made by Pius XII, Paul VI, and JPII in 1982, were only partially complete for they lacked the collegial union of the bishops.
9) World War II was a war of atheism, a devil's war, a war also against the Jєωs who continue to be a Chosen People of God. Since he NEVER TOOK THAT PRIVILEGE AWAY FROM THEM. DESPITE THEIR REJECTION OF CHRIST.
10) "The Conversion of Russia has taken place."
11) Our Lady never said the CONVERSION OF RUSSIA WOULD BE TO CATHOLICISM. NOR TO CHRISTIANITY EVEN. It would be a conversion from militant atheism to that of any country that RESPECTS THE FREE WILL GIVEN TO MEN BY GOD.
12) "The Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary has already taken place." It began WHEN OUR LADY SAVED POPE JOHN PAUL II'S LIFE in Saint Peter's Square on May 13, 1981. The Triumph is an ongoing process. Peace from the Triumph is peace from the militant spread of atheism by Communist Russia, but that does mean that no world war will take place
13) The annihilation of nations did not pertain to any physical war or a physical annihilation.
14) Third Secret was just for the Pope. Sister Lucy was opposed to its public revelation.
15) Carlos Evaristo insists that, based on what he heard from "Sister Lucy," Our Lady never said that the Secret was to be revealed by 1960.
16) The meaning of the beginning of the Third Secret was that the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception would always be defended by the Portuguese.
17) What is "Sister Lucy's" great message to the world today? HE WHO IS NOT WITH THE POPE (John Paul II) IS NOT WITH GOD. He (John Paul II --- Pope of Assisi) is God's greatest representative on earth.
18) The Consecration of Russia brought about a regime of religious liberty in which people could exercise free will, whether they would embrace Catholicism or not.
19) Lucy said that conversion of Russia is not to the Catholic faith but freedom to choose between good and evil.
Evaristo and Novus Ordo friends insist that the "Sister Lucy" of the two interviews was the same person as the authentic Sister Lucy of Fatima.
RadTrad Thomist (http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/)
Imposter Sister Lucy was a Native Portuguese Speaker. (http://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/RadtradThomist/%7E3/43gfM3vpYp4/imposter-sister-lucy-was-native.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email)
Posted: 13 Oct 2019 10:30 PM PDTDr. Chojnowski: Sister Lucy Truth has just been informed by a Professional Linguist that the woman in this video (Sister Lucy II) has the accent of a Native Portuguese Speaker. It seems as if this woman was from Portugal. That narrows it down somewhat, no? We are trying to get a full linguistic analysis, along with a professional translation, of this video.
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Same as the “fake” Sr. Lucy:
I can only conclude that you must regularly embarrass yourself on purpose ... as some kind of mortification. You just dismiss everything you don't like with a wave of your sanctimonious self-righteous hand. Unfortunately for you, the evidence for there having been a fake Sister Lucy is extremely strong. But you won't even consider it because it doesn't fit with the paradigm you have constructed in your tiny little brain. You are one of the most intellectually dishonest people I have ever run across.What an idiot. Lol. Total idiot.
All you need are functioning eyes to see that there was a "replacement" Sister Lucy. It's amazing that people will not admit the obvious.
Paul Vl is a straw man argument. Who would even care if there was an imposter? If there were two of them they were both lousy heretics anyway. The physical differences in the pics aren't that convincing.Lol...whatever you say.🥴
Sister Lucy Truth is a different story. The insertion of S.Lucy the imposter changes the course of history,Vll, the apostasy of the Church ( Including Paulo Vl and Vll?)and the Church's subversion of the greatest message from Heaven to mankind since the time of the Apostles. I find it hard to believe that you can't see that these are clearly two different people. It's like comparing Mary Tyler Moore and Bette Midler. Not the same person.
The truth is , the Dimond brothers tried to tell us about the Sister Lucy imposter for the past 20 years or more, but because of their (Dimond) dubious and questionable state of affairs, nobody took them seriously, even though it was as obvious then as it is now. Granted, Dr Chojnowski has done all of the due diligence needed to make the premise irrefutable. But for the Dimond brothers, it was just another laughable conspiracy theory. Sometimes a stopped clock is right twice a day. All good and truth comes from God, no matter where it comes from.The crowd is always afraid to say anything good about the Dimond's, and every time I see someone cow down to the crowd, I write something to the effect that:
Same as the “fake” Sr. Lucy:Your response tells me that your take of history is in agreement with Evaristo interview above. Correct?
https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/headline-news-around-the-world/item/4146-paul-vi-imposter-pope (https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/headline-news-around-the-world/item/4146-paul-vi-imposter-pope)
The insertion of S.Lucy the imposter changes the course of history,Vll, the apostasy of the Church ( Including Paulo Vl and Vll?)and the Church's subversion of the greatest message from Heaven to mankind since the time of the Apostles.Certain R&R groups would have to admit that their pet reply for all the nonsense since Vatican II, "diabolical disorientation", is bunch of hooey.
The crowd is always afraid to say anything good about the Dimond's, and every time I see someone cow down to the crowd, I write something to the effect that:You are right Last Tradican. I felt the need to predicate my post on the Dimonds with ill will to make it a more " palatable" post. Sorry . I do recognize that. I truly don't abide by all of their claims, but they were certainly right here.
I like the Dimond's they are not afraid to speak the truth no matter the consequences. They have conviction and internal fortitude.
You people must have been smoking lots of weed. You are ships which have broken loose from their moorings, and are now tossed about at sea by every hair-brained theory invented. In that regard, it is interesting to note the preponderance of sedes promoting this nonsense (which corroborates my observation).
We know that the Communists had deeply infiltrated the Church, the very thing Our Lady at Fatima was warning about. After the Iron Curtain purportedly fell, the information that came out of the former Soviet Union was that one of their favorite tactics was the use of doubles; several of their leaders had multiple doubles.:baby:
Roncalli was known to be bosom buddies with the Communists. Montini was a Communist agent who ratted out bishops behind the Iron Curtain and got them killed. Wojtyla, a suspected "Peace Priest," was touring the United States on a lecture tour while Cardinal Wyszynski was under house arrest and Cardinal Mindszenty was being tortured. Bergoglio is a known Marxist. So we see concretely the "errors of Russia" (Judaeo-Masonic atheistic government) infiltrating the Church and manifesting itself as Vatican II.
Sr. Lucy pdf (http://www.cor-mariae.com/Sr.Lucy.pdf)
I'm sure that Sean will read this carefully. You put all the evidence together, and there's very little doubt.:baby:
Now, the reason SeanJohnson hates the theory is because it suggests that there may well have been conscious destroyers behind Vatican II and the New Mass, that these may in fact, as the sedevacantists have long asserted, been works of an infiltrating subversive enemy ... and not just a natural decay of the Church. SeanJohnson and R&R prefer that the Church had decayed rather than that a non-Catholic enemy is responsible. They would rather attribute the filth of Vatican II to Holy Mother Church than to Judaeo-Masonic Communists.
:baby:
I see that you've lost it again, Sean. You really need to seek the help of a mental health professional.:baby:
So Sean, do you think Bishop Williamson and the other 3 Bishops believe Cardinal Bertone/ Sodano's phony millenial reveal of the third secret? Do you think they are satisfied with that? Is this where you draw your line?1) No
If there is lying from the Consilliar Church regarding the entire content of the third secret, why would it be so immposible to believe in a (zio-masonic) conspiracy to shut down ALL of the Fatima message including the disappearance of the true seer? Cui bono?
Who said kidnapping? Don't know what happened to Sr Lucy after 1957. She may very well have died. Lying is ,well, lying. There are big ones and even bigger ones. The point is to hide the Truth, which has been done. Is there a limit to the Devil's lying?
Who said kidnapping? Don't know what happened to Sr Lucy after 1957. She may very well have died. Lying is ,well, lying. There are big ones and even bigger ones. The point is to hide the Truth, which has been done. Is there a limit to the Devil's lying?
Yes, you are right- Modernist Consiliar Rome benefits.
The crowd is always afraid to say anything good about the Dimond's, and every time I see someone cow down to the crowd, I write something to the effect that:
I like the Dimond's they are not afraid to speak the truth no matter the consequences. They have conviction and internal fortitude.
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Who said kidnapping?Having a fake Sr Lucy would be as simple as her Mother Superior telling her she can't talk with anyone or leave her room without permission. Then Vatican officials bring out an imposter nun to pal around with +JPII and give "interviews". Sr Lucy, being a saint, would comply with any and all orders, and she wouldn't break the secret that she had never left the convent. It's that simple.
“Dear Brothers of Holy Family Monastery… As I told you on the phone I have some very dark relatives…[a world famous Freemason] is the brother of [x- name removed to preserve anonymity of author] who was married to my Grand Aunt. All of my relatives on my mother’s side were 33rd degree Illuminati Freemasons. My Grandparents were in Eastern Star… I know I must sound like a screaming weirdo by now. I am not… When I was five my Mother hosted a gathering. There are many things that went on that are too gruesome to put in print about these gatherings. They are basically sacrificing to satan to put it briefly. I had a new baby brother namedWe have spoken with this woman at length; she is a traditional Catholic convert, and we believe that she is telling the truth. But regardless of whether one accepts this testimony or not, the fact is that there was an impostor Sr. Lucy.
- … My mother didn’t know ahead of time [that x] was to be part of the ‘ceremonies’. They were going to put him in what looked like a large brass wok [and torture him] in order to tell the future. …[thankfully, this didn’t happen because of intervening events]… [But] One of the things that was said that awful day was they had just killed sister Lucy (I thought they were talking about a sister I didn’t know I had that they had killed). When I asked they said ‘No stupid…she’s a nun’ It only made sense years later what this meant. It was 1958, late Oct when this happened. [I remember because my brother had just been born]. I know that I sound like a mad woman but it is the truth…”[/font][/font][/color][/size]
Suppose Sr. Lucy died in 1957.Reposting
In order for your theory to even be plausible, I must accept the following as fact:
1) Nobody at the convent was aware Sr. Lucy died (or, they were in collusion with the old “switcharoo,” and maintained their silence, or, they were threatened into silence (which none have ever maintained);
2) Nobody at the convent, or elsewhere, recognized the new Lucy was not Lucy;
3) The fake Lucy would have to not only be a 24 hour/day role, familiar with Lucy’s mannerisms, etc, but would have had to sacrifice her own life to play the role (for nothing in return except a personal interest in seeing Fatima subverted);
4) Lucy’s family was involved in the fraud by saying nothing, or simply did not notice their own kin was replaced by an imposter;
5) All the Masonic Vatican would have had to do would be to order Lucy into silence; it would not be necessary for them to replace her with s body double for public appearances;
6) 60 years passed before some obscure sede invented this hair-brained theory. A normal person would/should contemplate why that is. It gives every indication of someone inventing a solution in order to make Fatima fit into their own narrative.
If someone would have told you about this theory when you were 16, you would have said that such a person would have lost their marbles: The pre-conciliar Vatican inserting a fake Lucy to subvert Fatima, apparently totally unconcerned that anyone might notice.
Not buying it. Not by a long shot.
Suppose Sr. Lucy died in 1957.1 and 2) Who said the convent sisters didn't know sister Lucy died? Who said they weren't threatened to silence by the Bishop or higher? If a secret is to be kept, what better way to do it than to be behind a cloister, with a proctor present for your bi-yearly behind the grate visits? Seems the family of Seth Rich is good at keeping secrets, too. Ever hear of the Manhattan project? Being threatened with death can be quite convincing.
In order for your theory to even be plausible, I must accept the following as fact:
1) Nobody at the convent was aware Sr. Lucy died (or, they were in collusion with the old “switcharoo,” and maintained their silence, or, they were threatened into silence (which none have ever maintained);
2) Nobody at the convent, or elsewhere, recognized the new Lucy was not Lucy;
3) The fake Lucy would have to not only be a 24 hour/day role, familiar with Lucy’s mannerisms, etc, but would have had to sacrifice her own life to play the role (for nothing in return except a personal interest in seeing Fatima subverted);
4) Lucy’s family was involved in the fraud by saying nothing, or simply did not notice their own kin was replaced by an imposter;
5) All the Masonic Vatican would have had to do would be to order Lucy into silence; it would not be necessary for them to replace her with s body double for public appearances;
6) 60 years passed before some obscure sede invented this hair-brained theory. A normal person would/should contemplate why that is. It gives every indication of someone inventing a solution in order to make Fatima fit into their own narrative.
If someone would have told you about this theory when you were 16, you would have said that such a person would have lost their marbles: The pre-conciliar Vatican inserting a fake Lucy to subvert Fatima, apparently totally unconcerned that anyone might notice.
Not buying it. Not by a long shot.
1 and 2) Who said the convent sisters didn't know sister Lucy died? Who said they weren't threatened to silence by the Bishop or higher? If a secret is to be kept, what better way to do it than to be behind a cloister, with a proctor present for your bi-yearly behind the grate visits? Seems the family of Seth Rich is good at keeping secrets, too. Ever hear of the Manhattan project? Being threatened with death can be quite convincing.
3) The fake Sr Lucy is perported to be a real nun in the convent and possibly a relative of the Real Sr Lucy herself.
I think they all knew (in the cloister) How could they not? Do you think they would call a press conference?
4) The family was silenced- simple.
5) Yes, they DID need a new, smiling Sister Lucy to validate the "Sprngtime of Vii", not the dour Sr Lucy that has seen hell and Our Lady crying about the apostasy in the Church. They needed a Sister Lucy that was ok with John XXlll saying the third secret " was not for our time" and that JPll's consecration of the world was "accepted by Heaven". They needed a Sister Lucy to play down the upcoming horrors in the Church (here we are) and dote over Vll Popes who disseminated lies about the Fatima message. In other words, they needed the real Fatima to go away to advance the diabolical.
Otherwise, I see your point as most people believe as you. I just have a problem with my lyin' eyes. As a nurse and a portrait sculptor , I am positive these Sr Lucy's are two different people.
My main problem is that a WHOLE lot of unsubstantiated presumption is required to make the theory work, whereas this am habitually resolved not to let my conclusions jump ahead of the evidence.
I think some people have difficulty living with uncertainty, and cook this stuff up to “make it all better.”Then you accept the FACT that Br. Michael of the Holy Trinity was in total error about the messages of Lucia, since her interview with Evaristo totally contradicts Br. Michael of the Holy Trinity's books.
I will continue to impress upon all the glaring fact that this theory was unknown for 60 years, until hatched by an obscure sedevacantist.
One surely would have expected Br. Michael of the Holy Trinity (the world’s foremost Fatima historian, per his 3-volume book) to have delved into some of the areas posited in support of this theory, yet it all seems to have escaped him? Not likely.
1) Sister Lucy advises the Pope not to Reveal the Third Secret.
2) Consecration of Russia done by John Paul II on March 25, 1984 avoided a Nuclear War in 1985.
3) The Virgin never said that the Holy Father had to say the word "Russia" [during the consecration of Russia]....She said, "He will consecrate Russia to me, which will convert...and there will be peace." But that promised peace, refers to the wars and persecutions that the errors of Atheistic Communism were causing in al the world.
---- Interestingly enough, the video said that Sister Lucy had spent 50 YEARS IN A PAPAL CLOISTER in a covent in Coimbra.
In this interview, "Sister Lucy" wants to "clarify" the Message of Fatima. The Message that Carlos Evaristo considers has been the subject of "incorrect interpretations," over the years.
4) The Consecration of Russia was accomplished by John Paul II on March 25, 1984.
5) The majority of the bishops participated an the fact that all did not was not relevant to its validity.
6) Gorbachev was AN INSTRUMENT OF GOD IN THE PROCESS OF THE CONVERSION OF RUSSIA.
7) The fact that Russia was not referred to by name did not invalidate the consecration.
(https://www.cathinfo.com/Smileys/classic/cool.gif) The consecration made by Pius XII, Paul VI, and JPII in 1982, were only partially complete for they lacked the collegial union of the bishops.
9) World War II was a war of atheism, a devil's war, a war also against the Jєωs who continue to be a Chosen People of God. Since he NEVER TOOK THAT PRIVILEGE AWAY FROM THEM. DESPITE THEIR REJECTION OF CHRIST.
10) "The Conversion of Russia has taken place."
11) Our Lady never said the CONVERSION OF RUSSIA WOULD BE TO CATHOLICISM. NOR TO CHRISTIANITY EVEN. It would be a conversion from militant atheism to that of any country that RESPECTS THE FREE WILL GIVEN TO MEN BY GOD.
12) "The Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary has already taken place." It began WHEN OUR LADY SAVED POPE JOHN PAUL II'S LIFE in Saint Peter's Square on May 13, 1981. The Triumph is an ongoing process. Peace from the Triumph is peace from the militant spread of atheism by Communist Russia, but that does mean that no world war will take place
13) The annihilation of nations did not pertain to any physical war or a physical annihilation.
14) Third Secret was just for the Pope. Sister Lucy was opposed to its public revelation.
15) Carlos Evaristo insists that, based on what he heard from "Sister Lucy," Our Lady never said that the Secret was to be revealed by 1960.
16) The meaning of the beginning of the Third Secret was that the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception would always be defended by the Portuguese.
17) What is "Sister Lucy's" great message to the world today? HE WHO IS NOT WITH THE POPE (John Paul II) IS NOT WITH GOD. He (John Paul II --- Pope of Assisi) is God's greatest representative on earth.
18) The Consecration of Russia brought about a regime of religious liberty in which people could exercise free will, whether they would embrace Catholicism or not.
19) Lucy said that conversion of Russia is not to the Catholic faith but freedom to choose between good and evil.
Then you accept the FACT that Br. Michael of the Holy Trinity was in total error about the messages of Lucia, since her interview with Evaristo totally contradicts Br. Michael of the Holy Trinity's books.Tradhican-
Overview of the Evidence
- 1. Multiple facial recognition analysis reports conducted by leading experts in the field
including an analysis by a facial “super-recognizer.”- 2. Plastic surgeon report by a world-class plastic surgeon.
- 3. Forensic art analysis by one the world’s foremost forensic artists.
- 4. Handwriting analysis by a leading forensic handwriting expert, who has provided a
sworn declaration along with his analysis.- 5. Dental analysis by a senior lecturer in periodontics.
Tradhican-See this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fHmtZlbVbc
I have no idea who Evaristo is. Why should I care what he says (what are his qualifications, and what evidence does he have to back his claims)?
I respect Br. Michael’s work by reputation alone (ie., as a member of the Abbe de Nantes’ community, he would not be predisposed to regurgitate the Vatican party line), and I see it praised by both conciliarists and anti conciliarists.
I note that Br. Michael’s work is frequently recommended by Bishop Williamson (one who likewise would be suspicious of the Vatican party line on Fatima).
Ultimately, I want a good explanation of why this thesis was not made for 60 years.
I think some people have difficulty living with uncertainty, and cook this stuff up to “make it all better.”The first time I had heard of the "Two Sister Lucias" theory was probably 8 or 9 years ago. I too thought it was nuts because at the time I was a supporter of the Fatima Crusader. It was Tradition in Action (not sede) who first made me aware of it. But it was actually the Dimonds who first realized there was a problem way back in the early 2000s. I continued to think it was nuts even after I became a convinced sede in late 2013. The reason I didn't believe the TSL theory was because there were some plausible explanations about why the early Lucy and the later Lucy looked so different. e.g. dental surgery and/or aging. And it was easy to dismiss the Dimonds and TIA because they are not professionals in the fields of facial recognition. So they could easily be mistaken. But Dr. Chojnowski took it to another level. He hired professionals to do the analysis and they all agreed that it is two different people. The evidence is overwhelming. It's no longer at the level of some obscure sede cooking up a nutty theory. It is proven by professional analysis. It's a game-changer. The whole narrative is being transformed. Fatima was the most significant event in the 20th century for Catholics. The next most significant event was V2. The pre-V2 message of Fatima is totally different from the post-V2 message. And the TSL theory is the explanation for why that happened. And the TSL theory also supports the idea that we didn't get the whole secret in 2000. The 2nd Sr Lucy is a fraud and a deceiver.
I will continue to impress upon all the glaring fact that this theory was unknown for 60 years, until hatched by an obscure sedevacantist.
One surely would have expected Br. Michael of the Holy Trinity (the world’s foremost Fatima historian, per his 3-volume book) to have delved into some of the areas posited in support of this theory, yet it all seems to have escaped him? Not likely.
Tradhican-Evarista interviewed Lucia of Fatima, it is Lucia's own words that are the subject of this thread, her own words completely contradict Br. Michael of the Holy Trinity. If you do not believe she is an impostor, then she totally disproves Bro. Michael. (By the way, I read all of his books on Fatima)
I have no idea who Evaristo is. Why should I care what he says (what are his qualifications, and what evidence does he have to back his claims)?
The "term "diabolical disorientation" has been thought NOT to have come from the real Sister Lucy considering the timeline. Still the "secret' and machinations around it impacts all that was mentioned.Yes, that is my point. The fake Sister Lucy said it. To accept that a fake Lucy said this means they can't use it to explain their R&R cognitive dissonance.
Can someone answer me this. Lucy, I believe said, which one I do not know, that Our Lady told her a dead friend, a young girl about the same age as Lucy, would be in Purgatory until the end of the world.You can also gain a plenary indulgence for a soul in Purgatory by doing a group rosary, like the family rosary. I've always thought the plenary indulgence is not so easy, because you get distracted. But, you are correct in your observation, how could a person be in Purgatory till the end of time if plenary indulgences do exist?
Now I believe it is a fact that the Catholic Church provided a means of gaining a plenary indulgence on all souls day that can get a named person out of Purgatory. I recall as children we used to cycle to seven churches and get souls out of Purgatory. At least we believed we did.
Now given Our Lady is said to have told the children their friend will not get out of Purgatory until the end of time, does this mean the plenary indulgence granted by popes of the Church were null and void? Surely someone in the history of Catholicism after Fatima, tried to get an indulgence for that girl. Now with all these false messages that have messed up the real truth of Fatima, where does the one about that child fit in?