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Re: Imposter Sister Lucy Contradict EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THE FATIMA MESSAGE
« Reply #30 on: October 16, 2019, 07:52:53 AM »
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  • Who said kidnapping? Don't know what happened to Sr Lucy after 1957. She may very well have died. Lying is ,well, lying. There are big ones and even bigger ones. The point is to hide the Truth, which has been done. Is there a limit to the devil's lying?
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    « Reply #31 on: October 16, 2019, 07:56:42 AM »
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    Re: Imposter Sister Lucy Contradict EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THE FATIMA MESSAGE
    « Reply #32 on: October 16, 2019, 08:12:26 AM »
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  • Who said kidnapping? Don't know what happened to Sr Lucy after 1957. She may very well have died. Lying is ,well, lying. There are big ones and even bigger ones. The point is to hide the Truth, which has been done. Is there a limit to the Devil's lying?

    Suppose Sr. Lucy died in 1957.

    In order for your theory to even be plausible, I must accept the following as fact:

    1) Nobody at the convent was aware Sr. Lucy died (or, they were in collusion with the old “switcharoo,” and maintained their silence, or, they were threatened into silence (which none have ever maintained);

    2) Nobody at the convent, or elsewhere, recognized the new Lucy was not Lucy;

    3) The fake Lucy would have to not only be a 24 hour/day role, familiar with Lucy’s mannerisms, etc, but would have had to sacrifice her own life to play the role (for nothing in return except a personal interest in seeing Fatima subverted);

    4) Lucy’s family was involved in the fraud by saying nothing, or simply did not notice their own kin was replaced by an imposter;

    5) All the Masonic Vatican would have had to do would be to order Lucy into silence; it would not be necessary for them to replace her with s body double for public appearances;

    6) 60 years passed before some obscure sede invented this hair-brained theory.  A normal person would/should contemplate why that is.  It gives every indication of someone inventing a solution in order to make Fatima fit into their own narrative.

    If someone would have told you about this theory when you were 16, you would have said that such a person would have lost their marbles: The pre-conciliar Vatican inserting a fake Lucy to subvert Fatima, apparently totally unconcerned that anyone might notice.

    Not buying it.  Not by a long shot.
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    Re: Imposter Sister Lucy Contradict EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THE FATIMA MESSAGE
    « Reply #33 on: October 16, 2019, 08:17:49 AM »
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  • Who said kidnapping? Don't know what happened to Sr Lucy after 1957. She may very well have died. Lying is ,well, lying. There are big ones and even bigger ones. The point is to hide the Truth, which has been done. Is there a limit to the Devil's lying?
    Yes, you are right- Modernist Consiliar Rome benefits.

    Right.  No one knows for sure what happened to the original Sister Lucy.  She may have just passed away naturally.  Now, I do recall reading something where a lady who claims that her family was into Satanism when she was young recounted an incident in October of 1958, when she was about 10, when her family was in the middle of a ritual and someone announced "They just killed Sister Lucy."  She had no idea who this Sister Lucy was at the time.  I wish I could find it, but it was a letter someone sent to the Dimonds.  Evidently the Dimonds called her up and talked to her, and they considered her to be credible.  Not proof by any means, but certainly interesting.

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    Re: Imposter Sister Lucy Contradict EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THE FATIMA MESSAGE
    « Reply #34 on: October 16, 2019, 08:27:02 AM »
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  • The crowd is always afraid to say anything good about the Dimond's, and every time I see someone cow down to the crowd, I write something to the effect that:

    I like the Dimond's they are not afraid to speak the truth no matter the consequences. They have conviction and internal fortitude.

    Yes, some of the work by the Dimonds is top notch.  Every Catholic should watch their video "Death and the Journey into Hell" once a week, and they would probably become saints.  Their biography of Padre Pio is the best out there.  And their apologetic work on proving Catholicism from the Prot Bible is very powerful.  Plus, they practically give them away.  You can order these pamphlets in bulk for next-to-nothing.  Unfortunately, they've crossed the line into an almost-schismatic bitter zeal ... and that's what has hurt them.


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    Re: Imposter Sister Lucy Contradict EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THE FATIMA MESSAGE
    « Reply #36 on: October 16, 2019, 08:43:44 AM »
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    Who said kidnapping?
    Having a fake Sr Lucy would be as simple as her Mother Superior telling her she can't talk with anyone or leave her room without permission.  Then Vatican officials bring out an imposter nun to pal around with +JPII and give "interviews".  Sr Lucy, being a saint, would comply with any and all orders, and she wouldn't break the secret that she had never left the convent.  It's that simple.
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    Notice also that subsequent interviews with the real Sr Lucy, where she said that the 1980s consecration wasn't totally acceptable, and the other interview where she used the phrase "diabolical disorientation" were all done at the convent. 

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    Re: Imposter Sister Lucy Contradict EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THE FATIMA MESSAGE
    « Reply #37 on: October 16, 2019, 08:48:23 AM »
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  • I believe that Sister Lucy was spared by God from having to attend the New Mass.  I do not believe that she lived to see that day.


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    Re: Imposter Sister Lucy Contradict EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THE FATIMA MESSAGE
    « Reply #38 on: October 16, 2019, 08:52:05 AM »
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  • So I found this (from the Dimonds):
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    Readers can take this for what it is worth (and it is not essential in any way to the facts above which prove that there was indeed an impostor Sr. Lucy), but a few years back we received a very disturbing letter.  We received a letter from a woman (a traditional Catholic convert) whose family was involved in the higher-echelons of the Illuminati and Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.  We also spoke to this woman both before and after she sent it.  There was much more in the letter and in the telephone conversations that added context and credibility to her claim, but we can only give a portion of the letter below.  As hard as this may be to believe, we really did receive the following letter and speak at length with this woman (she asked that we withhold her name for obvious reasons):

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    “Dear Brothers of Holy Family Monastery… As I told you on the phone I have some very dark relatives…[a world famous Freemason] is the brother of [x- name removed to preserve anonymity of author] who was married to my Grand Aunt.  All of my relatives on my mother’s side were 33rd degree Illuminati Freemasons.  My Grandparents were in Eastern Star… I know I must sound like a screaming weirdo by now.  I am not… When I was five my Mother hosted a gathering.  There are many things that went on that are too gruesome to put in print about these gatherings.  They are basically sacrificing to satan to put it briefly.  I had a new baby brother named
    • … My mother didn’t know ahead of time [that x] was to be part of the ‘ceremonies’.  They were going to put him in what looked like a large brass wok [and torture him] in order to tell the future. …[thankfully, this didn’t happen because of intervening events]… [But] One of the things that was said that awful day was they had just killed sister Lucy (I thought they were talking about a sister I didn’t know I had that they had killed).  When I asked they said ‘No stupid…she’s a nun’  It only made sense years later what this meant.  It was 1958, late Oct when this happened.  [I remember because my brother had just been born].  I know that I sound like a mad woman but it is the truth…”[/font][/font][/color][/size]
    We have spoken with this woman at length; she is a traditional Catholic convert, and we believe that she is telling the truth.  But regardless of whether one accepts this testimony or not, the fact is that there was an impostor Sr. Lucy.

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    Re: Imposter Sister Lucy Contradict EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THE FATIMA MESSAGE
    « Reply #39 on: October 16, 2019, 08:54:57 AM »
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  • Suppose Sr. Lucy died in 1957.

    In order for your theory to even be plausible, I must accept the following as fact:

    1) Nobody at the convent was aware Sr. Lucy died (or, they were in collusion with the old “switcharoo,” and maintained their silence, or, they were threatened into silence (which none have ever maintained);

    2) Nobody at the convent, or elsewhere, recognized the new Lucy was not Lucy;

    3) The fake Lucy would have to not only be a 24 hour/day role, familiar with Lucy’s mannerisms, etc, but would have had to sacrifice her own life to play the role (for nothing in return except a personal interest in seeing Fatima subverted);

    4) Lucy’s family was involved in the fraud by saying nothing, or simply did not notice their own kin was replaced by an imposter;

    5) All the Masonic Vatican would have had to do would be to order Lucy into silence; it would not be necessary for them to replace her with s body double for public appearances;

    6) 60 years passed before some obscure sede invented this hair-brained theory.  A normal person would/should contemplate why that is.  It gives every indication of someone inventing a solution in order to make Fatima fit into their own narrative.

    If someone would have told you about this theory when you were 16, you would have said that such a person would have lost their marbles: The pre-conciliar Vatican inserting a fake Lucy to subvert Fatima, apparently totally unconcerned that anyone might notice.

    Not buying it.  Not by a long shot.
    Reposting 
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    Re: Imposter Sister Lucy Contradict EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THE FATIMA MESSAGE
    « Reply #40 on: October 16, 2019, 08:57:03 AM »
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  • Suppose Sr. Lucy died in 1957.

    In order for your theory to even be plausible, I must accept the following as fact:

    1) Nobody at the convent was aware Sr. Lucy died (or, they were in collusion with the old “switcharoo,” and maintained their silence, or, they were threatened into silence (which none have ever maintained);

    2) Nobody at the convent, or elsewhere, recognized the new Lucy was not Lucy;

    3) The fake Lucy would have to not only be a 24 hour/day role, familiar with Lucy’s mannerisms, etc, but would have had to sacrifice her own life to play the role (for nothing in return except a personal interest in seeing Fatima subverted);

    4) Lucy’s family was involved in the fraud by saying nothing, or simply did not notice their own kin was replaced by an imposter;

    5) All the Masonic Vatican would have had to do would be to order Lucy into silence; it would not be necessary for them to replace her with s body double for public appearances;

    6) 60 years passed before some obscure sede invented this hair-brained theory.  A normal person would/should contemplate why that is.  It gives every indication of someone inventing a solution in order to make Fatima fit into their own narrative.

    If someone would have told you about this theory when you were 16, you would have said that such a person would have lost their marbles: The pre-conciliar Vatican inserting a fake Lucy to subvert Fatima, apparently totally unconcerned that anyone might notice.

    Not buying it.  Not by a long shot.
    1 and 2) Who said the convent sisters  didn't know sister Lucy died? Who said they weren't threatened to silence by the Bishop or higher? If a secret is to be kept, what better way to do it than to be behind a cloister, with  a proctor present for your bi-yearly behind the grate visits? Seems the family of Seth Rich is good at keeping secrets, too. Ever hear of the Manhattan project? Being threatened with death can be quite convincing.
    3) The fake Sr Lucy is perported to be a real nun in the convent and possibly a relative of the Real Sr Lucy herself.
    I think they all knew (in the cloister) How could they not? Do you think they would call a press conference?
    4) The family was silenced- simple.
    5) Yes, they DID need a new, smiling Sister Lucy to validate the "Sprngtime of Vii", not the dour Sr Lucy that has seen hell and Our Lady crying about the apostasy in the Church. They needed a Sister Lucy that was ok with John XXlll saying the third secret " was not for our time" and that JPll's consecration of the world was "accepted by Heaven". They needed a Sister Lucy to play down the upcoming horrors in the Church  (here we are) and dote over Vll Popes who disseminated lies about the Fatima message. In other words, they needed the real Fatima to go away to advance the diabolical.
    Otherwise, I see your point as most people believe as you. I just have a problem with my lyin' eyes. As a nurse and a portrait sculptor , I am positive these Sr Lucy's are  two different people.


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    Re: Imposter Sister Lucy Contradict EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THE FATIMA MESSAGE
    « Reply #41 on: October 16, 2019, 09:11:24 AM »
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  • 1 and 2) Who said the convent sisters  didn't know sister Lucy died? Who said they weren't threatened to silence by the Bishop or higher? If a secret is to be kept, what better way to do it than to be behind a cloister, with  a proctor present for your bi-yearly behind the grate visits? Seems the family of Seth Rich is good at keeping secrets, too. Ever hear of the Manhattan project? Being threatened with death can be quite convincing.
    3) The fake Sr Lucy is perported to be a real nun in the convent and possibly a relative of the Real Sr Lucy herself.
    I think they all knew (in the cloister) How could they not? Do you think they would call a press conference?
    4) The family was silenced- simple.
    5) Yes, they DID need a new, smiling Sister Lucy to validate the "Sprngtime of Vii", not the dour Sr Lucy that has seen hell and Our Lady crying about the apostasy in the Church. They needed a Sister Lucy that was ok with John XXlll saying the third secret " was not for our time" and that JPll's consecration of the world was "accepted by Heaven". They needed a Sister Lucy to play down the upcoming horrors in the Church  (here we are) and dote over Vll Popes who disseminated lies about the Fatima message. In other words, they needed the real Fatima to go away to advance the diabolical.
    Otherwise, I see your point as most people believe as you. I just have a problem with my lyin' eyes. As a nurse and a portrait sculptor , I am positive these Sr Lucy's are  two different people.

    My main problem is that a WHOLE lot of unsubstantiated presumption is required to make the theory work, whereas this am habitually resolved not to let my conclusions jump ahead of the evidence.

    There is no testimony from the convent nuns, Vatican deathbed confessions/repentance, family members, etc.

    It’s all supposition.

    In such circuмstances, it is extremely imprudent to equate a conglomeration of plausibility and supposition pass for fact.

    Yet in something as enormous as the theory you are advancing, the standard of proof is all the higher.

    But all that remains is theory, plausibility, and supposition.

    And again: 60 years for someone to invent this theory.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Imposter Sister Lucy Contradict EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THE FATIMA MESSAGE
    « Reply #42 on: October 16, 2019, 09:13:37 AM »
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  • Oh- I forgot 
    6- Sister Lucy was absent from anyone's sight between 1957 and 1967 when the updated model came on the scene. Like i said, there were some groups that recognized the difference in appearance, but lets face it. Most Catholics would never venture into thinking that the Church would have been involved with something so sinister- I know I would have never thought that. Over the decades, now knowing all of the sins and abuses that the Church has been involved with ( sodomy, usury, modernism, paganism..) it is a little easier for the average Catholic to look at things with more scrutiny, rather than just blind acceptance. (Along with the fact that the known Fatima revelations have come true) So yes, as Our Lady said, the Consecration will be done, but done late.I think this is why.

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    Re: Imposter Sister Lucy Contradict EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THE FATIMA MESSAGE
    « Reply #43 on: October 16, 2019, 09:20:40 AM »
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  • My main problem is that a WHOLE lot of unsubstantiated presumption is required to make the theory work, whereas this am habitually resolved not to let my conclusions jump ahead of the evidence.

    No, there really isn't.  Your main problem with the thesis is that you don't like its implications.

    In any case, can you offer an explanation for why Sister Lucy would directly contradict her prior self on DOZENS of key points regarding the Fatima message?  That is MUCH more difficult to explain than how they could have maintained secrecy around the matter.

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    « Reply #44 on: October 16, 2019, 09:20:54 AM »
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  • Sean-I like obvious facts, too. Nice and clean and unchallengable. Unfortunately, we are NOT going to see that until God makes the big reveal. The creeps inhabiting the Hierarchy have got this one clamped down.
    So your choice is to believe what the Vatican is dishing out  ( or really ignoring as they think they have cleared up this messy Fatima thing), or consider the evidence within reason ( more than circuмstantial), and I submit there is enough data to consider this very reasonable