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« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2010, 09:58:26 AM »
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  • it amazes me how they want to  :nunchaku: with Prots, but to actually clean out their own house is beyond the thinking.....
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    « Reply #16 on: December 20, 2010, 10:25:40 AM »
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    it amazes me how they want to  :nunchaku: with Prots, but to actually clean out their own house is beyond the thinking.....


    Whatever fighting they do with protestants is a smokescreen, because in the end, the prots are "separated brethren" whose "bit of truth", means heaven for them.


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    « Reply #17 on: December 20, 2010, 10:51:34 AM »
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  • It is a bit ironic that CA constantly engages in apologetics with Prots, endlessly debating with them what scripture passages mean.. (Nevermind that this reinforces to the Prots that Scripture is, if not the only rule, the primary rule of all Faith. But I digress...) but yet their own ecumenical Cardinals, Bishops, and even the Pope never talk about converting anyone and never use apologetics at all.

    Plus, CA apologists and their ilk treat their "separated brethren" better than fellow Catholics. They also have far more patience with deliberately ill willed lib prelates than they ever do with Trads. When it comes to Mahoney, Weakland, etc., they disapprove, but preach tireless "obedience" and "respect" for these weasels and "patience" to wait for Rome to "deal" with them.

    On the flip side, one Neo-Cath acquaintance was incensed that a former diocesan church building was acquired by the Society. She would rather it have been turned into a parking lot! She said, better for it to be descaralized and torn down than it be used for "illicit" Masses!

    Anyway, it is curious that it never dawns on these apologists that as far as conversion efforts go, they are on their own. At most, the Vatican encourages "evangelization" of secularists and those with no religion. What they mean by "evangelization" I stil have no idea.

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    « Reply #18 on: December 20, 2010, 10:52:36 AM »
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    it amazes me how they want to  :nunchaku: with Prots, but to actually clean out their own house is beyond the thinking.....


    Whatever fighting they do with protestants is a smokescreen, because in the end, the prots are "separated brethren" whose "bit of truth", means heaven for them.


    and it is "acceptable" in NeoCath world to fight with them.....just dont mention internal problems or J___! :wink:
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    « Reply #19 on: December 20, 2010, 10:54:03 AM »
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    one Neo-Cath acquaintance was incensed that a former diocesan church building was acquired by the Society. She would rather it have been turned into a parking lot! She said, better for it to be descaralized and torn down than it be used for "illicit" Masses!


    sounds like Sandra Meisal
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    « Reply #20 on: December 20, 2010, 11:03:08 AM »
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  • I was once scolded by an Opus Dei priest for telling him that the local diocesan priests/ Bishop need to wake up and stop allowing the rock-teen Masses. He said "No! We need to wake up and reform ourselves!". He seemed to think the "rock mass" was a passing fad and would go away on its own. Another Opus Dei priest didn't personally like it, but said at least it draws in the youth. At another Neo-Cath "discussion group" regarding BXVI's addresses during his visit to the US, they were all discussing the generic ambiguous parts. I focused in on the parts where he actually hit on the problems in the US. I was greeted with emotionless faces and slightly nervous tics and silence. Then someone mentioned how those problems are being remedied by the "great work" of so and so Bishop or priest out there.

    The conciliar Church seems to be a place where criticism is not welcome (unless it comes from the left) and everybody is expected to place their head firmly in the sand and act like everything is ok and getting better. If you express any "negativity" about the New Springtime or JP the "Great" you are shunned and chastized.

    In their Matrix, all the libs are baby boomers who we just have to wait to die off. Rock masses, bad doctrine, etc. are just passing and will go away. The Pope and "new crop" of Bishops and priests are "conservative" and will slowly replace the liberal Bishops and priests. The best thing we can do is to be "obedient", pray for these misguided libs, and do more penance and mortification. In the meantime form yourself by every Papal statement and document that comes from Rome, re-read all of JPII's encyclicals, and study your CCC and you'll be fine. As far as the Mass, as long as it is "valid" and "approved" you are ok.

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    « Reply #21 on: December 20, 2010, 11:24:01 AM »
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  • I once talked to te pastor of a Motu parish about trying to get a Traditional shcool started. It would be the only one in the diocese and would be a unique draw.

    He said there were already plenty of diocesan schools around hurting for enrollment and that it would cost too much. He suggested sending kids to one of the other "Catholic" schools.

    Some on here previously asked why those of us who believe there is a Pope just don't go to the Motu. This is one of the reasons. Even though this priest says the TLM he doesn't "get" the crisis and sees no real need for a "Trad" anything when there are perfectly good NO schools around. To most of these priests, the TLM is a preference just like someone preferring to wear blue over red.

    If you suggest a completely Trad parish or school they just don't see the need for it and are completely uninterested.

    Little do these people realize, there IS a demand for Trad schools and parishes, but they are apparently content to let these parents either homeschool or send their kids to "illicit" schools, since they have no desire to provide an alternative.

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    « Reply #22 on: December 20, 2010, 11:26:59 AM »
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    Little do these people realize, there IS a demand for Trad schools and parishes, but they are apparently content to let these parents either homeschool or send their kids to "illicit" schools, since they have no desire to provide an alternative


    If there is a such a demand it seems the SSPX, at least in this town, does not know how to keep students in their schools.


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    « Reply #23 on: December 20, 2010, 11:46:14 AM »
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  • Are there other "licit" Trad schools around?

    In any case, a lot of Trad parents homeschool so it may be tough to convince them to start sending their kids away to school.

    In any case, if the school is not doing well I don't think it is because it is Traditional. Most likely it would be due to other factors.

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    « Reply #24 on: December 20, 2010, 02:41:05 PM »
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  • That mod is one to speak when he says "It is obvious the rules mean very little to you". I think the TRUTH means very little to that mod! As far as the mod liking to hit the "infraction button", they are all like that over there. I got banned from there just because I asked why I got an infraction.

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    « Reply #25 on: December 20, 2010, 02:50:01 PM »
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  • They are just looking for pretexts to boot all of the Trads. It has gone far beyond double standard. The Neo-Caths can get away with murder.


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    « Reply #26 on: December 20, 2010, 02:54:07 PM »
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  • They even deleted my post and the one that followed it!

    Down the memory hole indeed!

    They can't actually have people investigating my claim and discovering it is true, now can they. They might start asking more dangerous questions!

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    « Reply #27 on: December 20, 2010, 05:24:58 PM »
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  • I take it that a certain Thomas Casey sent you this. Am I right? Once I recieved an infraction for using the terms heretic and modernist. So, I PM'ed him a message asking if those terms were out how I could possibly refer to people who were actually heretics and modernists. Guess what, no response.

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    « Reply #28 on: December 20, 2010, 05:28:23 PM »
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    I was once scolded by an Opus Dei priest for telling him that the local diocesan priests/ Bishop need to wake up and stop allowing the rock-teen Masses. He said "No! We need to wake up and reform ourselves!". He seemed to think the "rock mass" was a passing fad and would go away on its own. Another Opus Dei priest didn't personally like it, but said at least it draws in the youth. At another Neo-Cath "discussion group" regarding BXVI's addresses during his visit to the US, they were all discussing the generic ambiguous parts. I focused in on the parts where he actually hit on the problems in the US. I was greeted with emotionless faces and slightly nervous tics and silence. Then someone mentioned how those problems are being remedied by the "great work" of so and so Bishop or priest out there.

    The conciliar Church seems to be a place where criticism is not welcome (unless it comes from the left) and everybody is expected to place their head firmly in the sand and act like everything is ok and getting better. If you express any "negativity" about the New Springtime or JP the "Great" you are shunned and chastized.

    In their Matrix, all the libs are baby boomers who we just have to wait to die off. Rock masses, bad doctrine, etc. are just passing and will go away. The Pope and "new crop" of Bishops and priests are "conservative" and will slowly replace the liberal Bishops and priests. The best thing we can do is to be "obedient", pray for these misguided libs, and do more penance and mortification. In the meantime form yourself by every Papal statement and document that comes from Rome, re-read all of JPII's encyclicals, and study your CCC and you'll be fine. As far as the Mass, as long as it is "valid" and "approved" you are ok.


    That priest is a heretic, in Vatican II it was clearly stated that Gregorian Chant was to take pride and precidence over the common forms of music which were supposed to be banned from Catholic Mass. I really think the big issue most Trads like myself isn't with Vatican II itself so much as the modernist heresy which often opperates under the term "in the spirit of Vatican II"... example the Hindu incident at Fatima.

     

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