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Offline Zenith

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Imminent split between Bishop Williamson and the SSPX?
« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2010, 05:00:31 PM »
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  • Bishop Fellay has given Bishop Williamson this order in good keeping with the teachings of separation of Church and State.


    Offline parentsfortruth

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    Imminent split between Bishop Williamson and the SSPX?
    « Reply #31 on: November 22, 2010, 08:11:31 PM »
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  • Quote from: Zenith
    Bishop Fellay has given Bishop Williamson this order in good keeping with the teachings of separation of Church and State.


    :( Separation of Church and State is a heresy.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    Offline Dawn

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    Imminent split between Bishop Williamson and the SSPX?
    « Reply #32 on: November 23, 2010, 06:12:34 AM »
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  • It is indeed Parents for Truth.   All supporters of Benedict are showing their true colors. Not Christ first served, but Ratzinger.

    Offline Wessex

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    Imminent split between Bishop Williamson and the SSPX?
    « Reply #33 on: November 23, 2010, 06:26:42 AM »
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  • Although I ceased attending its chapels because of its new relationship with Rome, has anyone docuмented the changes they have seen in SSPX parishes throughout the world in order to get evidence of a general shift in policy? Because of language differences, I feel we are in the dark regarding the general picture. For example, France was a lively place for trads. What is the picture now? I once had a French contact who championed the cause of Bp. Tissier but that source dried up.

    Offline Belloc

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    Imminent split between Bishop Williamson and the SSPX?
    « Reply #34 on: November 23, 2010, 08:13:06 AM »
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  • Quote from: Dawn
    It is indeed Parents for Truth.   All supporters of Benedict are showing their true colors. Not Christ first served, but Ratzinger.


    I posted a coment in another thread about hte Book B16 wrote and Williamson-assuming the writer of the article is 100% spot on-and most reporters these days are not, too lazy!-but if spot on, then B16 is clear-you either are united to New Church and Pope 100%, in all things, or if you are sede, SSPX,e tc, you are not part of the "great church" and not Catholic....so, Orwell, call your office ,New Church is stating they and they alone are Catholic-not Me, not Dawn, Myrna, Matthew,et al.....
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    Imminent split between Bishop Williamson and the SSPX?
    « Reply #35 on: November 23, 2010, 09:51:58 AM »
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  • As I review the various postings on this thread, I see no where the question raised as to the manner in which Bp. W was given +F's ultimatum.  Three things:
    1) +W hired a lawyer associated with the Nat'l Democratic Party of Germany, a party which is fully legal, is recognized in that country, and operates within German law.  He can not have been identified as a practicing "nαzι", even by the liberal German political establishment standards, since nαzιsim in Germany is illegal, and has been since after WWII.  Folks who actively espouse nαzιsm are quickly rounded up and prosecuted.
    2) So, +F is just plain off base in attempting to conflate this lawyer, and by extension, +W, with nαzιsm.
    3)  All that aside, why did not +F go directly, privately to +W and express his displeasure privately?  Did he do so initially and did +W refuse to obey the former's request to drop the new hire?  Are we then forced to speculate that +F had no choice but to publish his threats worldwide?
    I choose to believe that spreading calumny against +W through the media has become +F's MO.  He is using to media in an attempt to get rid of +W.  The media have become his unspoken allies.

    Offline Telesphorus

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    Imminent split between Bishop Williamson and the SSPX?
    « Reply #36 on: November 23, 2010, 10:14:10 AM »
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  • Quote from: hollingsworth1
    As I review the various postings on this thread, I see no where the question raised as to the manner in which Bp. W was given +F's ultimatum.  Three things:
    1) +W hired a lawyer associated with the Nat'l Democratic Party of Germany, a party which is fully legal, is recognized in that country, and operates within German law.  He can not have been identified as a practicing "nαzι", even by the liberal German political establishment standards, since nαzιsim in Germany is illegal, and has been since after WWII.  Folks who actively espouse nαzιsm are quickly rounded up and prosecuted.
    2) So, +F is just plain off base in attempting to conflate this lawyer, and by extension, +W, with nαzιsm.
    3)  All that aside, why did not +F go directly, privately to +W and express his displeasure privately?  Did he do so initially and did +W refuse to obey the former's request to drop the new hire?  Are we then forced to speculate that +F had no choice but to publish his threats worldwide?
    I choose to believe that spreading calumny against +W through the media has become +F's MO.  He is using to media in an attempt to get rid of +W.  The media have become his unspoken allies.


    Yeah someone who calls me plutonium shouldn't be the one deciding who my lawyer can be.  Bishop Williamson obviously was an obstacle to the subversion of the SSPX and those in the society that seem to be under some compulsion or are themselves willing agents cooperating with the enemies of the Church.  This is evident to me - there's no other rational explanation for this shameless behavior.

    Offline MauricePinay

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    Imminent split between Bishop Williamson and the SSPX?
    « Reply #37 on: November 23, 2010, 10:15:11 AM »
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  • In August I said:

    Bp. Fellay's partners in 'dialogue' will not allow a man of stature to legitimize forbidden thoughts about the sacred 'h0Ɩ0cαųst.' As Bp. Fellay said, "The problem is that [Bp. Williamson's "h0Ɩ0cαųst"] comments have been linked to his office." Rather than make a martyr of him by throwing him in prison and risking opening a public debate over whether the state can force a religious figure to assent to beliefs originating outside his religion, they're calling his sanity into question. It's not just hostility, they're trying to make his words of no effect by leading people to think he's unstable, and Bp. Fellay is playing the lead role. He's not just saying that he's wrong, he's calling him "uranium" and a "grenade" and he laments that he must contain this dangerous, unstable element:

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    Bishop Fellay likens Bp Williamson to uranium, “it's dangerous when you have it but you simply can’t leave it by the side of the road."

    http://sspxthepriesthood.com/fellay.shtml



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    "It’s like, if you have a grenade in your hand in the middle of a crowd. What do you do with it? Can you throw it?"

    http://saltandlighttv.org/blog/?p=5071



    In fact, Bp. Williamson has been far more consistent in his thoughts than Bp. Fellay. And Bp. Fellay's escalating public character assassination of a brother bishop is below even the Vatican scoundrels that he's ingratiating himself with. I suspect that this smear campaign is groundwork covering the possibility of Bp. Williamson being expelled or leaving of his own will. A possibility which Bp. Fellay openly accounted for in Der Spiegel in March 2009:


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    SPIEGEL: So why don't you exclude Williamson from the society?

    Fellay: That will happen if he denies the h0Ɩ0cαųst again.


    Clearly, Rome, the money people and the rabbis want Bp. Williamson out of the society. They're not going to allow a 'h0Ɩ0cαųst' heretic to gain credibility as would come with an SSPX agreement with Rome. This is terribly frustrating to the ambitions of Bp. Fellay as he wonders aloud, how to handle this "dangerous" element. If he was a priest, rest assured, he would be thrown overboard and the SSPX would be free of the 'h0Ɩ0cαųst denial' stigma.

    It's problematic to these parties; the potential that lies with Richard Williamson being a Bishop and a teacher and having credibility with large numbers of 'truth seekers', what could happen if he's not contained and silenced. Hence Bp. Fellay's comments that Bp. Williamson is "uranium" that "you simply can’t leave by the side of the road" and a "grenade" that you can't throw into a crowd. They're destroying his reputation and calling his stability into question, preemptively blackening any endeavor he might have outside the society before they cast him out.

    I believe they're attempting to provoke him to either leave of his own will or to some statement that could be rationalized as justification for expulsion. It's no different from how the Israelis and their U.S. lackeys attempt to get wars going against non-violent people while appearing to be in the right. Bp. Williamson has handled this all with remarkable humility. God willing, he will remain steadfast in imitation of Christ. If they act, it will be clear that they're persecuting a good man.


    Offline MauricePinay

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    « Reply #38 on: November 23, 2010, 10:45:05 AM »
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  • To the above I would add, they're persecuting a good man regardless of whether they cast him out or continue smearing a silenced and confined man.

    Bp. Fellay has ambitiously accepted the establishment's offer of the world media as a vehicle for a public shaming of Bp. Williamson. Every witness is as much the intended subject of a public shaming as the shamed individual held up for example. If you have any sympathy for Bp. Williamson or any of his views, Bp. Fellay is indirectly  addressing you as well.

    It's priceless to the establishment for Bp. Fellay to so passionately take the lead role in this mockery.

     

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    « Reply #39 on: November 23, 2010, 11:07:29 AM »
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  • Fellay is acting worse than Pontius Pilate. He is condeming a man, who has told nothing but the truth, with the consent of the powerful. Pilate tried to cop out and wash his hands of Christ's death. Bishop Fellay is promoting Bishop Williamsons destruction.

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    « Reply #40 on: November 23, 2010, 11:21:17 AM »
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  • Good post, MauricePinay.

    The truth is very sad indeed, but I agree.
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    « Reply #41 on: November 23, 2010, 11:31:11 AM »
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  • Quote from: sedetrad
    Fellay is acting worse than Pontius Pilate. He is condeming a man, who has told nothing but the truth, with the consent of the powerful. Pilate tried to cop out and wash his hands of Christ's death. Bishop Fellay is promoting Bishop Williamsons destruction.


    maybe the Society could get a new head elected....?? how would that work? do?
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    Imminent split between Bishop Williamson and the SSPX?
    « Reply #42 on: November 23, 2010, 11:33:00 AM »
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    Fellay is acting worse than Pontius Pilate. He is condeming a man, who has told nothing but the truth, with the consent of the powerful. Pilate tried to cop out and wash his hands of Christ's death. Bishop Fellay is promoting Bishop Williamsons destruction.


    maybe the Society could get a new head elected....?? how would that work? do?


    The problem is that there's a controlling network and the opposition is afraid to resist for fear of being expelled.

    And the laypeople are too sheeplike.  

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    « Reply #43 on: November 23, 2010, 11:42:44 AM »
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    And the laypeople are too sheeplike.  


    Or cultish in their misguided loyalty.

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    « Reply #44 on: November 23, 2010, 11:44:28 AM »
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  •  Never mind!