Author Topic: Imagine the Small Number of People who Obtain Salvation According to (Read 2666 times)

Truth is Eternal · « **on:** January 03, 2011, 07:40:31 PM »

http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/the_catholic_church_salvation_faith_and_baptism.php

From studying Infallible Catholic Doctrine we can assume that it is true for most of us that many of our family members, relatives, friends, coworkers, neighbors, and quite possibly many people we meet from church will not obtain Salvation.

WE MUST PREVAIL!

We can't force people to believe. No matter how much we love certain people, God will not allow any of them who die in the state of rebellion to obtain eternal salvation.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #1 on:** January 03, 2011, 07:48:26 PM »

Outside of MHFM there is no salvation...

MyrnaM · « **Reply #2 on:** January 03, 2011, 07:55:22 PM »

I have great hope and confidence that all those I pray for will be saved.

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #3 on:** January 03, 2011, 07:56:50 PM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

Outside of MHFM there is no salvation...

The doctine on MHFM is Infallible Catholic Doctrine.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #4 on:** January 03, 2011, 08:11:20 PM »

The "doctrine" on MHFM website is delusionally dangerous armchair theology that condemns everyone besides them to Hell.

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #5 on:** January 03, 2011, 09:22:29 PM »

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The "doctrine" on MHFM website is delusionally dangerous armchair theology that condemns everyone besides them to Hell.

You don't seem to like Infallible Catholic Doctrine.

Caminus · « **Reply #6 on:** January 03, 2011, 10:55:05 PM »

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Quote from: stevusmagnus
The "doctrine" on MHFM website is delusionally dangerous armchair theology that condemns everyone besides them to Hell.

You don't seem to like Infallible Catholic Doctrine.

Wow you even argue like them too.

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #7 on:** January 04, 2011, 07:03:05 AM »

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Quote from: stevusmagnus
The "doctrine" on MHFM website is delusionally dangerous armchair theology that condemns everyone besides them to Hell.

You don't seem to like Infallible Catholic Doctrine.

Wow you even argue like them too.

Do you believe Traditional Catholic Doctrine is infallible?

Caminus · « **Reply #8 on:** January 04, 2011, 08:48:14 AM »

umblehay anmay · « **Reply #9 on:** January 04, 2011, 10:53:59 AM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

The "doctrine" on MHFM website is delusionally dangerous armchair theology that condemns everyone besides them to Hell.

That's interesting, I've actually taken the time to read their material and listened to many of their debates and talks, and have never once read that or heard them say that.

TKGS · « **Reply #10 on:** January 04, 2011, 11:08:58 AM »

Quote from: umblehay anmay

Quote from: stevusmagnus
The "doctrine" on MHFM website is delusionally dangerous armchair theology that condemns everyone besides them to Hell.

That's interesting, I've actually taken the time to read their material and listened to many of their debates and talks, and have never once read that or heard them say that.

Though much of what they say is accurate, I have found exactly what stevusmagnus says about them is true.

On the other hand, what they say about the the fewness of the number saved is oftentimes direct quotes of the saints. Just because it comes from the Dimond Brothers doesn't mean it is incorrect. That attitude is a real problem among Catholics today. Even if someone makes an absolutely orthodox Catholic declaration, if it comes from certain personalities, the very declaration itself is condemned.

umblehay anmay · « **Reply #11 on:** January 04, 2011, 11:32:10 AM »

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Quote from: umblehay anmay
Quote from: stevusmagnus
The "doctrine" on MHFM website is delusionally dangerous armchair theology that condemns everyone besides them to Hell.

That's interesting, I've actually taken the time to read their material and listened to many of their debates and talks, and have never once read that or heard them say that.

Though much of what they say is accurate, I have found exactly what stevusmagnus says about them is true.

On the other hand, what they say about the the fewness of the number saved is oftentimes direct quotes of the saints. Just because it comes from the Dimond Brothers doesn't mean it is incorrect. That attitude is a real problem among Catholics today. Even if someone makes an absolutely orthodox Catholic declaration, if it comes from certain personalities, the very declaration itself is condemned.

How is the theology of the Dimonds any more exclusive and/or delusional than this statment, "...all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jєωs or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives"

Cera · « **Reply #12 on:** January 04, 2011, 01:14:04 PM »

Quote from: TKGS

Quote from: umblehay anmay
Quote from: stevusmagnus
The "doctrine" on MHFM website is delusionally dangerous armchair theology that condemns everyone besides them to Hell.

That's interesting, I've actually taken the time to read their material and listened to many of their debates and talks, and have never once read that or heard them say that.

Though much of what they say is accurate, I have found exactly what stevusmagnus says about them is true.

On the other hand, what they say about the the fewness of the number saved is oftentimes direct quotes of the saints. Just because it comes from the Dimond Brothers doesn't mean it is incorrect. That attitude is a real problem among Catholics today. Even if someone makes an absolutely orthodox Catholic declaration, if it comes from certain personalities, the very declaration itself is condemned.

The Church teaches that the Saints are in heaven. The Church does not say that every word each one says is true.
The enemy prowls about the world seeking whom he may devour. The enemy's intelligence is superior to human intelligence. The enemy can incite hopelessness by using someone like the Diamonds to have a website with 99% truth in order to effectively sneak in a little diabolical disorientation.

TKGS · « **Reply #13 on:** January 04, 2011, 01:47:39 PM »

Quote from: Cera

Quote from: TKGS
Quote from: umblehay anmay
Quote from: stevusmagnus
The "doctrine" on MHFM website is delusionally dangerous armchair theology that condemns everyone besides them to Hell.

That's interesting, I've actually taken the time to read their material and listened to many of their debates and talks, and have never once read that or heard them say that.

Though much of what they say is accurate, I have found exactly what stevusmagnus says about them is true.

On the other hand, what they say about the the fewness of the number saved is oftentimes direct quotes of the saints. Just because it comes from the Dimond Brothers doesn't mean it is incorrect. That attitude is a real problem among Catholics today. Even if someone makes an absolutely orthodox Catholic declaration, if it comes from certain personalities, the very declaration itself is condemned.

The Church teaches that the Saints are in heaven. The Church does not say that every word each one says is true.
The enemy prowls about the world seeking whom he may devour. The enemy's intelligence is superior to human intelligence. The enemy can incite hopelessness by using someone like the Diamonds to have a website with 99% truth in order to effectively sneak in a little diabolical disorientation.

Interesting comment. I'll remember this next time I read Saint Alphonse Liguori... On second thought, I won't.

umblehay anmay · « **Reply #14 on:** January 04, 2011, 04:47:08 PM »

Quote from: Cera

Quote from: TKGS
Quote from: umblehay anmay
Quote from: stevusmagnus
The "doctrine" on MHFM website is delusionally dangerous armchair theology that condemns everyone besides them to Hell.

That's interesting, I've actually taken the time to read their material and listened to many of their debates and talks, and have never once read that or heard them say that.

Though much of what they say is accurate, I have found exactly what stevusmagnus says about them is true.

On the other hand, what they say about the the fewness of the number saved is oftentimes direct quotes of the saints. Just because it comes from the Dimond Brothers doesn't mean it is incorrect. That attitude is a real problem among Catholics today. Even if someone makes an absolutely orthodox Catholic declaration, if it comes from certain personalities, the very declaration itself is condemned.

The Church teaches that the Saints are in heaven. The Church does not say that every word each one says is true.The enemy prowls about the world seeking whom he may devour. The enemy's intelligence is superior to human intelligence. The enemy can incite hopelessness by using someone like the Diamonds to have a website with 99% truth in order to effectively sneak in a little diabolical disorientation.

It's true that what the Saints said or wrote while on Earth was not always correct, which is why we have to defer to Scripture and Infallible statements from the Popes. But in this case, it has been stated by many Saints and it doesn't contradict scripture...

2 Matthew 7:14
How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it!