Author Topic: Imaginations on how the Crisis could come to an end (Read 4335 times)

ElwinRansom1970 · « **Reply #35 on:** January 06, 2024, 07:04:07 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on January 05, 2024, 10:00:38 PM

What We Need from a Pope --

1) Condemnation of Vatican II and the NOM (declaring everything after Pius XII null and void)

14) Make some Liturgical corrections, rolling back most of the Pius XII 1955 Holy Week changes, but keeping things like restoring the Liturgies to the right time of day.

I would argue that in liturgy everything touched by the 20th-century Liturgical Movement be jettisoned. Concretely this means returning to the liturgical books as thry existed under Leo X in the 1880s.

A temporary concession could be made for use of the Pius X Psalter arrangement until the older, immemorial Psalter arrangement becomes familiar to those bound to the Office but are currently accustomed to the Pius X or Paul VI Psalter arrangements.

Otherwise, back to the books of Leo XIII. Calendar updates could be easily made.

2Vermont · « **Reply #36 on:** January 06, 2024, 07:33:18 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on January 05, 2024, 09:27:25 PM

Would have to disagree mightily there. He's a good man, but lots of issues with his theology and, frankly, not exactly an intellectual ... which is what we need here to probably set the Church's doctrinal course on target.

I disagree with the "lots of issues with his theology" and quite frankly, we don't need a mega intellectual in the Chair either. He can always appoint someone more intellectual for the New Head of the CDF (or whatever it was called prior to Vatican II).

What we do need desperately is a man who can foster unity among Catholics. IMO, he is the man for that job. Some of those mega intellectuals are much less likely to be able to pull that off...mostly due to their pride.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #37 on:** January 06, 2024, 10:43:18 AM »

Quote from: 2Vermont on January 06, 2024, 07:33:18 AM

I disagree with the "lots of issues with his theology" and quite frankly, we don't need a mega intellectual in the Chair either. He can always appoint someone more intellectual for the New Head of the CDF (or whatever it was called prior to Vatican II).

What we do need desperately is a man who can foster unity among Catholics. IMO, he is the man for that job. Some of those mega intellectuals are much less likely to be able to pull that off...mostly due to their pride.

CMRI has published twice an article entitled "The Salvation of those Outside the Church" ... a direct contradiction of EENS dogma, tantamount to printing an article "The Original Sin of Mary". They are also pro-NFP. Unless you properly understand the problem with EENS, there's no fixing the doctrinal problems that were at the root of the crisis. NFP has been a strong contributor to the erosion of Catholic doctrine regarding marriage and the marital state. Unfortunately, there are currently no Trad bishops who understand the problem with EENS (apart from Bishop Neal Webster, but he's well past his prime and also lacks sufficient training ... we saw how he messed up the consecration of Father Pfeiffer).

As for "unity among Catholics," having a Traditional Pope provides ipso facto unity, so that'll be a non-issue. We only have divisions and disunity now precisely because there's no pope (or, for R&R, no Catholic pope).

2Vermont · « **Reply #38 on:** January 06, 2024, 10:45:56 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on January 06, 2024, 10:43:18 AM

CMRI has published twice an article entitled "The Salvation of those Outside the Church" ... a direct contradiction of EENS dogma, tantamount to printing an article "The Original Sin of Mary". They are also pro-NFP. Unless you properly understand the problem with EENS, there's no fixing the doctrinal problems that were at the root of the crisis. NFP has been a strong contributor to the erosion of Catholic doctrine regarding marriage and the marital state.

As for "unity among Catholics," having a Traditional Pope provides ipso facto unity, so that'll be a non-issue. We only have divisions and disunity now precisely because there's no pope (or, for R&R, no Catholic pope).

So, who in your opinion, would be the right candidate based on the above? Is there a Traditional Bishop that agrees with you?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #39 on:** January 06, 2024, 10:48:20 AM »

Quote from: ElwinRansom1970 on January 06, 2024, 07:04:07 AM

I would argue that in liturgy everything touched by the 20th-century Liturgical Movement be jettisoned. Concretely this means returning to the liturgical books as thry existed under Leo X in the 1880s.

A temporary concession could be made for use of the Pius X Psalter arrangement until the older, immemorial Psalter arrangement becomes familiar to those bound to the Office but are currently accustomed to the Pius X or Paul VI Psalter arrangements.

Otherwise, back to the books of Leo XIII. Calendar updates could be easily made.

I'd take your word for it. I really haven't studied the 20th century changes other than the more recent ones.

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