Author Topic: If Anybody Is Finding My Posts Helpful (Read 4467 times)

fkpagnanelli · « **on:** January 24, 2010, 01:35:29 PM »

Hello All Good Will Persons On cathinfo.com:

If anybody is finding my post helpful in understanding Catholic Truth, please post here and ask additional questions. I will happily answer the questions of those displaying good-will. Bad-will heretics--like Raoul76, Caminus, and Trad123--I will not respond to. However, I will address their easily refuted heresies, if another good-will person asks me to.

If not, I will follow the admonition of Scripture, and shake the dust from my feet and move on.

Know that there is absolutely no salvation outside the Catholic Church. To be Catholic, you must subject yourself to all the valid pontiffs in Catholic history and to no antipopes. That means, identifying Pope Pius X as the last valid Catholic Church and subjecting yourself to him and all the valid popes that he claims communion with is necessary for your salvation.

Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctum, 1302, ex cathedra: "Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

St. Cyprian: "To adhere to a false Bishop of Rome is to be out of communion with the Church."

Ladislaus · « **Reply #1 on:** January 24, 2010, 02:41:16 PM »

I personally think that Boniface VIII was a heretical antipope.

Caminus · « **Reply #2 on:** January 24, 2010, 02:41:34 PM »

lol...all valid pontiffs you deem to be valid of course. I must say either you are really really stupid, are insane or just a plain old cowardly liar.

Cristian · « **Reply #3 on:** January 24, 2010, 02:56:07 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

I personally think that Boniface VIII was a heretical antipope.

Sorry, is this a joke?

Cristian

Caminus · « **Reply #4 on:** January 24, 2010, 03:05:23 PM »

No, probably not since they have all been bitten by the bug which makes them think they can mentally depose anyone at will. It is a terrible, terrible mind rot. So deluded and full of perfect arrogance, this other man starts a new thread in order to position himself as true teacher. O, the Devil and his myriad of traps to deceive men!

trad123 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 24, 2010, 03:14:21 PM »

Quote from: Cristian

Quote from: Ladislaus
I personally think that Boniface VIII was a heretical antipope.

Sorry, is this a joke?

Cristian

I hope that he only forgot to put a smiley face or something, meaning he's being sarcastic. Unless he's been reading Roscoe's posts.

roscoe · « **Reply #6 on:** January 24, 2010, 03:58:21 PM »

I do not agree that Pius XI(XII) and XII(XIII) are anti-popes but think it entirely poss that Boniface VIII(8) and Ben XV(15) will someday be recognised as such.

fkpagnanelli · « **Reply #7 on:** January 24, 2010, 07:23:36 PM »

Quote from: roscoe

I do not agree that Pius XI(XII) and XII(XIII) are anti-popes but think it entirely poss that Boniface VIII(8) and Ben XV(15) will someday be recognised as such.

If Benedict XV is an antipope--and he is--then that requires all subsequent claimants to the papacy, who claimed allegiance to Benedict XV--to be denounced as antipopes because they would be non-Catholic schismatics for following an antipope.

Clovis · « **Reply #8 on:** January 24, 2010, 08:24:24 PM »

Quote from: fkpagnanelli

Hello All Good Will Persons On cathinfo.com:

If anybody is finding my post helpful in understanding Catholic Truth, please post here and ask additional questions. I will happily answer the questions of those displaying good-will. Bad-will heretics--like Raoul76, Caminus, and Trad123--I will not respond to. However, I will address their easily refuted heresies, if another good-will person asks me to.

I should state that if Im to be really honest Im not sure how much of good will I am...My will is extremely mutable and for large portion's of everyday it cannot be described as good. The goodness of any fallen man's will is often hard for other fallen creatures to assess, or even or the person themselves. In Christ's day the Pharisees must have appeared from our human vantage point "good willed" but our Lord described them as vipers, etc...Similarly the tax-collectors and prostitutes must have seemed of bad will...For your own sake thread carefully.

roscoe · « **Reply #9 on:** January 24, 2010, 08:45:23 PM »

Quote from: fkpagnanelli

Quote from: roscoe
I do not agree that Pius XI(XII) and XII(XIII) are anti-popes but think it entirely poss that Boniface VIII(8) and Ben XV(15) will someday be recognised as such.

If Benedict XV is an antipope--and he is--then that requires all subsequent claimants to the papacy, who claimed allegiance to Benedict XV--to be denounced as antipopes because they would be non-Catholic schismatics for following an antipope.

This subject has been discussed b4 and you are incorrect for the following reason. It was not until the Papacy of St Pius X that Boniface 6 and 7 were declared anti-popes. Untill that time, the Church considered them true Popes-- although there certainly were some who suspected otherwise( like I do re: Boniface VIII(8), Urban VI(6) and Benoit XV(15). At any rate the Popes who followed them are still true Popes even if 6 and 7 were anti-popes.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #10 on:** January 24, 2010, 08:53:06 PM »

I guess that my original post was partially a joke and partially not, my point having been that if you can just go ahead and depose anyone you feel like deposing, how an you cite the teaching of any pope at all? I could claim that his teaching that people can not be saved if they're not subject to the Roman Pontiff was in fact heretical.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #11 on:** January 24, 2010, 09:00:39 PM »

Quote from: fkpagnanelli

If Benedict XV is an antipope--and he is--then that requires all subsequent claimants to the papacy, who claimed allegiance to Benedict XV--to be denounced as antipopes because they would be non-Catholic schismatics for following an antipope.

What a tragedy that not a single soul has been saved since the death of Pius X (I can't call him St. Pius X since his subsequent canonization was performed by an antipope.) Of course, Pius X had his name attached to a catechism which taught baptism of desire. So Pius X was actually a heretical antipope as well. And Pius IX taught the heresy that the invincibly ignorant are not punished. Since Pius IX was not a pope, then infallibility is not a dogma. Since popes can be fallible, then Pius IX is actually still a pope. And so infallibility IS a dogma. In which case, Pius IX must be considered deposed. And infallibility is not a dogma. etc. etc. etc.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #12 on:** January 24, 2010, 09:03:01 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

I guess that my original post was partially a joke and partially not, my point having been that if you can just go ahead and depose anyone you feel like deposing, how an you cite the teaching of any pope at all? I could claim that his teaching that people can not be saved if they're not subject to the Roman Pontiff was in fact heretical.

What's hilarious is that roscoe comes forward and actually does cast aspersions on the legitimacy of Boniface VIII, whom fk cites as his authority in the OP.

fk, by virtue of the evidence brought forward by roscoe, I hereby declare you a schismatic and heretic for having referred to Boniface VIII as Pope Boniface VIII.

Caminus · « **Reply #13 on:** January 24, 2010, 09:08:27 PM »

Quote from: fkpagnanelli

Quote from: roscoe
I do not agree that Pius XI(XII) and XII(XIII) are anti-popes but think it entirely poss that Boniface VIII(8) and Ben XV(15) will someday be recognised as such.

If Benedict XV is an antipope--and he is--then that requires all subsequent claimants to the papacy, who claimed allegiance to Benedict XV--to be denounced as antipopes because they would be non-Catholic schismatics for following an antipope.

But you're an out-of-control psycho so who cares what you say?

roscoe · « **Reply #14 on:** January 24, 2010, 09:15:41 PM »

I have been accusing Boniface for some time now. I am hardly the only person to do this over the last 700 yrs.

The part of Unam Sanctum quoted above that qualifies as Infallible I have no problem with-- this had already been the doctrine of the Church for 1200 yrs. The great majority of the Bull was either re-written or discarded by Clement V. Boniface came up with nothing new.

Throne of the deposed anti=pope.