Author Topic: Idiotic Catholics against the Death Penalty (Read 561 times)

Matthew · « **on:** February 25, 2018, 10:11:05 PM »

It just goes to show you how people don't think.

What, because our God was crucified, we're supposed to be against the death penalty for modern-day capital criminals (child molesters, rapists and murderers?)

Can any of them point to anything in Scripture where Our Lord speaks out against the death penalty? They won't find a single instance. In fact, Our Lord completely submits to capital punishment, even though it was unfair to the Nth degree in his case.

Cantarella · « **Reply #1 on:** February 26, 2018, 12:05:35 AM »

Silliness is all around us! The Council of Trent does teach that capital punishment (not only does not violate the 5th Commandment), but it actually obeys the Commandment by defending the sanctity of life against those who willfully take it from the innocent:

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Again, this prohibition [against killing] does not apply to the civil magistrate, to whom is entrusted the power of life and death [a reference to Saint Paul’s teaching in Romans 13:14], by the legal and judicious exercise of which he punishes the guilty and protects the innocent. The use of the civil sword, when wielded by the hand of justice, far from involving the crime of murder, is an act of paramount obedience to this commandment which prohibits murder. The end of the commandment is the preservation and sanctity of human life, and to the attainment of this end, the punishments inflicted by the civil magistrate, who is the legitimate avenger of crime, naturally tend, giving security to life by repressing outrage and violence.

We see that traditionally, the Church always defended the right of the State to administer the death penalty (even the Vatican City and other papal states formerly used it), in order to protect the citizenry from a repeat offense, but also for reasons of "expiation" and even the spiritual welfare of the guilty, because the sentence could lead to a possible conversion.

"It must not be forgotten that the death penalty, like any criminal penalty, serves as a form of expiation. That is why prisons were once called penitentiaries. As Saint Thomas observes in the Summa: “Even death inflicted as a punishment for crimes takes away the whole punishment for those crimes in the next life, or at least part of that punishment, according to the quantities of guilt, resignation, and contrition; but a natural death does not.” (Cf. Romano Amerio Iota Unum, 435). Further, in the case of capital punishment the expiatory penalty reflects the sin of one whose grave crime has caused him to lose the right to life. Some 700 years after the Summa, Pope Pius XII repeated the constant teaching of the Church in this regard: “Even when it is a question of someone condemned to death, the state does not dispose of an individual’s right to life. It is then the task of public authority to deprive the condemned man of the good of life, in expiation of his fault, after he has already deprived himself of the right to life by his crime.”

http://www.crisismagazine.com/2011/can-the-church-ban-capital-punishment

PG · « **Reply #2 on:** February 26, 2018, 03:23:12 AM »

Matthew - Well, one could give the example of Christ saying "he who is without sin cast the first stone". And, "where are your accusers", and "neither do I accuse thee". However, Christ also said the "prince of this world is already judged".

The more important question is why was it unfair for our Lord to be crucified? It seems to me that it would be unfair because the death penalty for heresy is unfair. The calmed demoniac was not permitted to enter the boat with Christ. And, our Lord was put to death for "heresy". If the death penalty for heresy were fair, according to the words of Christ below in bold, then it seems as though it would be fair.

All things therefore whatsoever they shall say to you, observe and do: but according to their works do ye not; for they say, and do not.

However, Jesus also said:

My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would certainly strive that I should not be delivered to the Jєωs: but now my kingdom is not from hence.

Yes, the liberals oppose capital punishment, lest according to their thinking penitence occur and salvation result as with the good thief, or conversely death come like a thief in the night for the other. But, they will be the first to approve of and monger for capital punishment of "heresy". Will you agree with them there? Would thomas aquinas agree?

There was a reason the word "thief" was used to describe both the men who were crucified with Christ. However, they are not the same. In the old testament, the thief in the night was to be put to death, with the new testament comparing it with death. Whereas the thief of the day simply had to return the goods, with Christ saying the love of money is the root of all evil. But, they were both hanged all the same. And, that is the reason for the language. The real question for you is, which of your offspring would you have break their legs?

Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered together thy children, as the hen doth gather her chickens under her wings, and thou wouldest not?

The society that is just corporeally, roots out spiritual offences in the process. And, the society with no spiritual offence, has no need of capital punishment.

Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam in thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Have you not heard the saying "kill two birds with one stone"?

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