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I like the Latin Mass, but I want to be faithful to the Pope
« on: January 09, 2016, 01:56:13 PM »
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    Is your chapel in union with pope Francis or are you part of a different society like St. Pius X? We live nearby but we will always be faithful to the bishop of Rome.

    I do love the Latin Mass and would like to expose my kids to it, presuming your group is approved by the local Roman Catholic ordinary.


    There is a Crisis in the Church. Look at the PDF "Catholic Statistics". Proof positive that Vatican II was destructive to the Church and to souls.
    There are also numerous problems with Vatican II itself, as shown in the PDF "The Errors of Vatican II".

    Long story short, the evils that resulted in the aftermath of Vatican II were not accidental.

    Catholics have a right to the true Mass and Sacraments. The Novus Ordo Mass, meanwhile, has many non-Catholic elements and the entire package tends to destroy the Faith in those who participate. Again, here in 2016, we have 46 years of proof. Look around you at your Novus Ordo parish and ask yourself if these people stand out in any substantial way from their worldly and non-Catholic neighbors.

    The Pope is not the issue. For what it's worth, we're not Sedevacantists. We pray for the Pope (include his name in the Canon of the Mass, pray for him during Benediction, etc.) Nevertheless, St. Paul resisted Peter to the face "Because he was to be blamed." (Galatians 2:11).

    As a Catholic, you should know that according to Catholic doctrine, not all obedience is praiseworthy. If your father asked you to murder someone, you must not obey. Such obedience would be sinful, and your father would have over-stepped his authority in giving you such a command.

    Likewise we refuse to participate in the auto-demolition of the Church, being spearheaded by Pope Francis and the Modernists (Modernism = a heresy condemned by Pope St. Pius X) who surround him in the Vatican. I strongly suggest you read the papal encyclical "Pascendi" and other material on Modernism. It's the worst heresy the Church has ever faced; twisting and distorting everything it touches, and making a shipwreck of the Faith.

    Galatians 1:8
    But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.

    We shouldn't be devoted firstly to the person of the Pope, but rather firstly to God and to the Catholic Faith. The Pope is the servant of the Faith, and not vice-versa.

    We are actually the Pope's best friends, since we are trying to preserve the Catholic Faith, help save as many souls as possible, and work in a positive manner to build up the Church. As Pope, he has to want that. If he wants something else (creation of a new Catholicism, destruction of Catholic Tradition, etc.) then he wants it as a private individual. Such unofficial, un-Catholic, private desires we should not be supporting him on.

    Please consider what I have written, as none of it is my opinion, but rather pure Catholic doctrine. Seek the truth, seek God first and foremost.

    God bless,

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    Offline Centroamerica

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    I like the Latin Mass, but I want to be faithful to the Pope
    « Reply #1 on: January 09, 2016, 03:15:22 PM »
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  • TRUE OBEDIENCE
    According to the great theologian, St. Thomas Aquinas, true obedience is a balance between twin errors of defect and excess, which are disobedience and false obedience (IIaIIae, Q104,5 ad 3). Today this second error is common among Catholics who, when they follow orders to depart from Tradition, think they are being obedient.

    http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/vatican2/obediance.htm
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


    Offline songbird

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    I like the Latin Mass, but I want to be faithful to the Pope
    « Reply #2 on: January 09, 2016, 03:33:23 PM »
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  • Pope obedient to God first.  IF the Pope excommunicates himself, through his actions (you will know them by their fruits), then we, the lay can not align ourselves with him.

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    I like the Latin Mass, but I want to be faithful to the Pope
    « Reply #3 on: January 09, 2016, 06:56:09 PM »
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    I have read Pope Pius' encyclical several times over the past 40 years and am very familiar with the abuses in the Church since I have had to live thru the changes which have hurt the Church (I personally have suffered greatly from it). At the same time I realize that Christ knew Peter was going to deny him when he made him the "Rock" on whom he founded the Church. I want to ensure that you are still in full communion with Christ's Church before I attend the mass you offer.

    I made the mistake of attended a mass by the Society of St. Pius X some time ago only to find out that the archbishop had been excommunicated from the Church.

    I think my question was a simple one and I'm still don't have an answer to it. Is your group in full communion with the Roman Catholic Church which has flawed Francis as the head? Has your group been approved by the local Roman Catholic Ordinary?


    How sad --

    He is a martyr for obedience, suffering "greatly" and needlessly in the Novus Ordo. That seems the most tragic -- those who DON'T LIKE the Novus Ordo but stay anyhow because they think they have to.

    What motivates these spiritual masochists? Pride? Ignorance? It really boggles my mind.

    The poor deluded man doesn't realize that HE'S the one in schism, along with his pope and all the other Modernists.

    We are in FULL communion with the Catholic Church. It's the Newchurch that is schismatic.

    What's even more tragic is that the victims in this case don't even have a choice: his children. They will end up like 99% of Novus Ordo Catholics -- they will wallow in sin, ignorance and worldliness, become apostate and/or protestant, use birth control, etc.

    And he is doing that to them by his imprudent assistance at that bastard Rite.

    See, we're at a crossroads: Authority and Truth. I chose truth, he chose authority.
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    Offline Matthew

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    « Reply #4 on: January 09, 2016, 07:05:48 PM »
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  • Here is what I actually responded:

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    It's sad that you've "suffered greatly from it" basically for nothing. You should have left your parish and attended Mass with the SSPX or another independent chapel.

    St. Dominic's does not have the permission of the local Ordinary; here in 2016 we find ourselves in an emergency situation and the Church provides jurisdiction in times like these. The highest law is the salvation of souls. Salus animarum suprema lex.

    Suffering is normally meritorious, but some suffering isn't God's will. For example, if I were to sabotage my marriage (commit adultery, try to get my wife to leave me, etc.) it would be LESS PERFECT than living in marital harmony with my wife -- even though living in harmony makes me happier! That is because perfection consists in comformity with God's will -- not in suffering for its own sake.

    God wants us to keep the Faith and save our souls. The Novus Ordo makes that almost impossible. Ergo, God wants you (and everyone else) to leave your parish and stay in a lifeboat -- an "unapproved Mass location" -- until the Crisis in the Church is over.

    It would be most imprudent to stay in a classroom DURING a shooting. You can return later after the shooting. Normally, during a school day, the teacher and students wouldn't hide in a utility closet. But during a dangerous time when death is at hand? That's a different story.

    I hope your children don't all leave the Faith, like so many others have. What makes you think your children will be spared? My wife is from a Novus Ordo family and all the young men in her extended family gave up the faith as teenagers. But that story has been repeated countless times all over the US -- because of the Novus Ordo.

    The choice is yours, of course.

    God bless,

    Matthew

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    For your sake, and your childrens' sake, you should at least attend the Diocesan-approved Latin Mass in San Antonio:

    http://stpiusxsa.org/

    They have weekly Mass.
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    « Reply #5 on: January 09, 2016, 07:16:49 PM »
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  • Sounds like he is looking for a diocesan version of TLM.  Smell and bells, but the security V2 practices, including being in "communion" with a "Pope", which is not necessarily the same thing as holding the true faith.  

    It is such a sad state we are in today when we must sift the words and actions of a man who sits in the Chair of Peter, as laymen we are not well equipped to do so and it can tear us apart.

    I think long term confusion paralyzes the brain to some extent and people just stay where they are because they can no longer think clearly.

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    « Reply #6 on: January 10, 2016, 12:21:21 AM »
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    Sounds like he is looking for a diocesan version of TLM.  Smell and bells, but the security V2 practices, including being in "communion" with a "Pope", which is not necessarily the same thing as holding the true faith.  

    It is such a sad state we are in today when we must sift the words and actions of a man who sits in the Chair of Peter, as laymen we are not well equipped to do so and it can tear us apart.

    I think long term confusion paralyzes the brain to some extent and people just stay where they are because they can no longer think clearly.


    I have several Catholic NO friends who also have extreme loyalty to the Pope. They believe that the Pope can do no wrong, yet his words and actions disturb them, so they justify his erratic actions and believe that the press must be lying. However, Opus Dei has disingenuously convinced them that they must give the Pope 100 percent blind obedience, and that he can do no wrong.
    Lord have mercy.

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    « Reply #7 on: January 10, 2016, 07:14:12 AM »
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    It is such a sad state we are in today when we must sift the words and actions of a man who sits in the Chair of Peter, as laymen we are not well equipped to do so and it can tear us apart.

    I think long term confusion paralyzes the brain to some extent and people just stay where they are because they can no longer think clearly.


    While the rest of the clergy who are in communion with said man sit on their duffs.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    « Reply #8 on: January 10, 2016, 08:10:39 AM »
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    The poor deluded man doesn't realize that HE'S the one in schism, along with his pope and all the other Modernists.

    We are in FULL communion with the Catholic Church. It's the Newchurch that is schismatic.

    (...)


    Sorry Matthew but could you clarify how all this is supposed to work?

    The actual Pope is in schism?

    The Conciliar church is the Catholic Church yet at the same time it's not and is in schism from herself?


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    « Reply #9 on: January 10, 2016, 08:17:34 AM »
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    The poor deluded man doesn't realize that HE'S the one in schism, along with his pope and all the other Modernists.

    We are in FULL communion with the Catholic Church. It's the Newchurch that is schismatic.

    (...)


    Sorry Matthew but could you clarify how all this is supposed to work?

    The actual Pope is in schism?

    The Conciliar church is the Catholic Church yet at the same time it's not and is in schism from herself?



    I had similar questions.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    I like the Latin Mass, but I want to be faithful to the Pope
    « Reply #10 on: January 12, 2016, 04:00:25 PM »
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  • Quote from: 2Vermont
    Quote from: Desmond
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    The poor deluded man doesn't realize that HE'S the one in schism, along with his pope and all the other Modernists.

    We are in FULL communion with the Catholic Church. It's the Newchurch that is schismatic.

    (...)


    Sorry Matthew but could you clarify how all this is supposed to work?

    The actual Pope is in schism?

    The Conciliar church is the Catholic Church yet at the same time it's not and is in schism from herself?



    I had similar questions.


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    « Reply #11 on: January 13, 2016, 05:53:17 PM »
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  • I like the Latin Mass.... Should read, "I Love and Need the Precious Blood of Christ".
    IF there be no Pope, ok, but We have need of the Power of the Blood!