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I have a question(?)
« on: March 31, 2021, 11:20:15 PM »
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    • I have a question to ask:

    The general thrust of the administration on CI and regular traditional Catholic contributors here, including me (who at one stage was a full-on BW. accuser) is to give Bishop Williamson as much support as possible in spite of his advocacy of Valtorta as well as doctrinal issues such as miracles in the NO yet begging people to stay away.   AND telling them to go if it helps their faith etc. etc.

    My question is:
    Does it do a lot of harm to the unchanging Truth, Faith and Mass of all Ages prior to Vat.II when Fr. Hewko continues to publicly attack Bishop Williamson when in fact Fr. Hewko himself is doing the same thing? That is - when Fr. Hewko absolutely and single-mindedly preaches the unchanging Truth, Faith and Mass of all Ages.  And when he receives holy oils from Bishop Williamson?

    Is it possible that B. Williamson needs this barking at his heels? Or is it damaging what Fr. Hewko, himself, is trying to achieve namely to restore all things in Christ?  

    In the loose federation to a man the priests are:

    • ordained in the old rite therefore true priests
    • they all say the Mass of all ages
    • they are true to doctrine and doctrinal issues prior to Vat.II council
    • they all speak against Vat.II

    I may not have posed the question very well, so if clarification is needed I will do my best.

    Being but an ordinary garden-type lay woman I beg that answers be purely objective PLEASE!
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    Re: I have a question(?)
    « Reply #1 on: March 31, 2021, 11:31:58 PM »
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    • I'm not sure that I understand the question completely but I would say that Catholics, by definition, worship the Truth. Covering up error almost always causes more damage in the long term. The day to day reality on Earth is that people, even clergy, are a mixed bag. Where exactly to draw the line and cut ties is often a difficult question.
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    Re: I have a question(?)
    « Reply #2 on: April 01, 2021, 12:18:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: Emile on March 31, 2021, 11:31:58 PM

    I'm not sure that I understand the question completely but I would say that Catholics, by definition, worship the Truth. Covering up error almost always causes more damage in the long term. The day to day reality on Earth is that people, even clergy, are a mixed bag. Where exactly to draw the line and cut ties is often a difficult question.
    Thank you for your comment Emile.

    The thrust of my question is that when Fr. Hewko keeps attacking B.Williamson (possibly for the right reasons?) it divides Catholics who by definition, worship the Truth.
    He seems to me to be barking at the ambiguities in calling +B.W a modernist.  (I know of this from personal correspondence received).  I do not believe for a minte that +B.W is a modernist but sometimes he seems very mixed up as outlined in OP. and needs correcting.   On the other hand, Fr. Hewko keeps himself separated from the loose federation who all have the same purpose as himself - the restoration of Christ the King.
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    Re: I have a question(?)
    « Reply #3 on: April 01, 2021, 12:45:58 AM »
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    • Thank you for the clarification Donkath. I've not listened to anything from Fr. Hewko for some time. What I recall of him is from when he was involved with Fr. Pfeiffer. What I remember is that both of them seemed to spend an unnecessary amount of time attacking others.

    It is necessary to point out error, to warn the faithful of danger, and name names. But there's no need to spend an inordinate amount of time doing so, especially when you are preaching to people of good will. I've found that when all someone has to offer is "at least I'm not that guy", it's best to stay away.

    We are here to know, love, and serve God. That's an infinite subject to plumb the depths of. I look for those that can help me do that, not the ones that will hinder.

    I don't know if that answers your question or if there's anything worthwhile in what I have written above, but I pray there is something of help for you in it.
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    Re: I have a question(?)
    « Reply #4 on: April 01, 2021, 01:23:07 AM »
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    • What concerns me is that the number of novus ordo Catholics who follow and admire Francis Bergoglio is drowning out the Truth about Christ and thus in danger of losing their souls because Pope Francis blesses the committing of sin.  I am wondering if Fr. Hewko is right in having no truck with Novus Ordo souls in that he appears to concentrate solely on traditional pre-VaticanII Catholics (like moi) and their offspring.  Or is it preferable for the salvation of Novus Ordo souls that B. Williamson continues to make concessions in advising them to do what helps their faith?


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    Re: I have a question(?)
    « Reply #5 on: April 01, 2021, 04:58:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: donkath on March 31, 2021, 11:20:15 PM

    Being but an ordinary garden-type lay woman I beg that answers be purely objective PLEASE!



    We traditional Catholics seek the Light of the truth.

    And when we stray, (such as Valtorta, Pfeiffer/pablo) we stand to be corrected.

    All of us.
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    Re: I have a question(?)
    « Reply #6 on: April 01, 2021, 08:17:51 AM »
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    • What a beautiful picture Incred!

    May I enquire whether you are saying that all of those I have mentioned need to be corrected?

    If so by whom? By each other?

    If they correct each other then each stands alone believing that each of the others, whether singly or in groups, is to be avoided. 

    Thus we all remain divided.

    Is it not so?
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    Re: I have a question(?)
    « Reply #7 on: April 01, 2021, 08:41:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: donkath on March 31, 2021, 11:20:15 PM
    I have a question to ask:

    The general thrust of the administration on CI and regular traditional Catholic contributors here, including me (who at one stage was a full-on BW. accuser) is to give Bishop Williamson as much support as possible in spite of his advocacy of Valtorta as well as doctrinal issues such as miracles in the NO yet begging people to stay away.   AND telling them to go if it helps their faith etc. etc.

    My question is:
    Does it do a lot of harm to the unchanging Truth, Faith and Mass of all Ages prior to Vat.II when Fr. Hewko continues to publicly attack Bishop Williamson when in fact Fr. Hewko himself is doing the same thing? That is - when Fr. Hewko absolutely and single-mindedly preaches the unchanging Truth, Faith and Mass of all Ages.  And when he receives holy oils from Bishop Williamson?

    Is it possible that B. Williamson needs this barking at his heels? Or is it damaging what Fr. Hewko, himself, is trying to achieve namely to restore all things in Christ?  

    In the loose federation to a man the priests are:

    • ordained in the old rite therefore true priests
    • they all say the Mass of all ages
    • they are true to doctrine and doctrinal issues prior to Vat.II council
    • they all speak against Vat.II

    I may not have posed the question very well, so if clarification is needed I will do my best.

    Being but an ordinary garden-type lay woman I beg that answers be purely objective PLEASE!
    This is the problem with today's Catholic "Tradition". It has become shamelessly political. It takes a lot of time and study to tell the difference between the gospel truth and men's opinions to the point that too many trads are deceived enough to shun certain Latin masses, doubt scripture, and avoid the sacraments.  I've come to the conclusion that's all there is, and everything else is opinion.            
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    Re: I have a question(?)
    « Reply #8 on: April 01, 2021, 01:58:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: donkath on April 01, 2021, 08:17:51 AM
    What a beautiful picture Incred!

    May I enquire whether you are saying that all of those I have mentioned need to be corrected?

    If so by whom? By each other?

    If they correct each other then each stands alone believing that each of the others, whether singly or in groups, is to be avoided.

    Thus we all remain divided.

    Is it not so?
    In the cases I mentioned,

    Valtorta’s “man-God” has serious problems that were seen by both the pre Vatican II Church and post VII trad groups.  

    Did HE take correction?

    In the Pfeiffer/pablo apostolate, evidence of sorcery were seen & reported during the (7) years Father Hewko was there.

    Did Father take correction?

    We, the scattered & confused remnant are left with an imperfect and battered resistance clergy, that’s getting smaller by the day.

    I suppose the Resistance’s situation fits Our Lady of Fatima’s prophecy of “Church division” as well.
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    Re: I have a question(?)
    « Reply #9 on: April 01, 2021, 07:20:55 PM »
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    >We, the scattered & confused remnant are left with an imperfect and battered resistance clergy, that’s getting smaller by the day.
    >I suppose the Resistance’s situation fits Our Lady of Fatima’s prophecy of “Church division” as well.


    And more souls are lost.
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    Re: I have a question(?)
    « Reply #10 on: April 03, 2021, 01:08:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: donkath on April 01, 2021, 01:23:07 AM
    What concerns me is that the number of novus ordo Catholics who follow and admire Francis Bergoglio is drowning out the Truth about Christ and thus in danger of losing their souls because Pope Francis blesses the committing of sin.......

    (a)I am wondering if Fr. Hewko is right in (barking at BW's heels and) having no truck with Novus Ordo souls in that he appears to concentrate solely on traditional pre-Vatican II Catholics (like moi) and their offspring.  Or
     
    (b) is it preferable for the salvation of Novus Ordo souls that B. Williamson continues to make concessions in advising them to do what helps their faith?

    Should Fr. Hewko drop his barking or should Bishop Williamson clarify doctrinally the ambiguities being barked about?

    I thought to repost the basic question again in light of the answers already received.  What do readers think is the best method?
    Or is there any hope of these seemingly opposite stands being reconciled so as to save souls everywhere?
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    Re: I have a question(?)
    « Reply #11 on: April 06, 2021, 10:47:57 PM »
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    • This thread is going nowhere fast. 

    I don't know where to begin with it, and frankly I don't have time.

    Just pray. Watch and pray. Always keep your eyes open. And always be faithful to the Truth.

    But also keep humility. Never accept for a moment that you are the last Catholic on earth. That is the devil talking.

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