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Offline Iuvenalis

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I finally put my finger on what bugs me
« on: March 30, 2013, 04:46:32 PM »
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  • From: http://nz.sports.yahoo.com/news/pope-preside-over-first-good-065648547.html

    "Francis has already broken with several Vatican traditions, although he is yet to begin tackling the many problems assailing the Roman Catholic Church including reform of the scandal-ridden Vatican bureaucracy and bank."

    *ding* *ding* *ding*

    *Nothing* about the problems, the pedos, the poofters, etc. Nothing. Zero. Nada.

    Just grandstanding.

    It's not humility if you say "Look at me! Look how humble I am!"


    Offline PereJoseph

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    « Reply #1 on: March 30, 2013, 05:17:28 PM »
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    "Francis has already broken with several Vatican traditions, although he is yet to begin tackling the many problems assailing the Roman Catholic Church including reform of the scandal-ridden Vatican bureaucracy and bank."


    Did anybody else notice the implication of the sentence ?  "Francis has already broken with Vatican traditions, although he is yet to begin tackling [diverse problems]."  The so-called "Vatican" traditions are being implicitly linked to the same cause as the "many problems assailing the Roman Catholic Church," that is to say, "Vatican traditions" and "scandals" are being placed into the same category in need of Judae-Masonic Communist reformation. The internal logic of the sentence wouldn't hold unless this unmentioned assertion did not underpin it conceptually.  Psychological warfare is sly, but these foul journalists are experts at it.


    Offline Iuvenalis

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    « Reply #2 on: March 30, 2013, 05:43:21 PM »
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  • http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/03/30/pope-presides-over-easter-vigil-service/

    This man's contempt for the liturgy takes the cake. The whole article is worth a read.

    Offline Mabel

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    « Reply #3 on: March 30, 2013, 06:51:58 PM »
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  • Not all traditions, it seems he is carrying on and maybe even furthering JP2's heretical ideas about the papacy.

    I honestly don't even think he is claiming in any sense to be the pope, Ratzinger even used language that was closer to claiming the office than Bergoglio. His photo op humility reminds me of another prominent person here in the US. The social justice oriented protestants love this guy, I'm hearing nothing but his praises from them every time he acts in defiance to the Faith.

    But it is such a blessing, not to be in doubt about what to do in regards to this man. I thank God for that.

    Offline Iuvenalis

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    « Reply #4 on: March 30, 2013, 07:08:55 PM »
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  • Quote from: Mabel
    Not all traditions, it seems he is carrying on and maybe even furthering JP2's heretical ideas about the papacy.

    I honestly don't even think he is claiming in any sense to be the pope, Ratzinger even used language that was closer to claiming the office than Bergoglio.


    This is why I wanted folks to read the entire article (not the OP, but my followup):

    "Italian is the lingua franca of the Vatican and Francis has emphasized his role as bishop of Rome over that of pope of the universal church, making his use of Italian logical."


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #5 on: April 02, 2013, 04:40:53 PM »
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  • Quote from: PereJoseph
    Quote from: Iuvenalis
    "Francis has already broken with several Vatican traditions, although he is yet to begin tackling the many problems assailing the Roman Catholic Church including reform of the scandal-ridden Vatican bureaucracy and bank."


    Did anybody else notice the implication of the sentence ?  "Francis has already broken with Vatican traditions, although he is yet to begin tackling [diverse problems]."  The so-called "Vatican" traditions are being implicitly linked to the same cause as the "many problems assailing the Roman Catholic Church," that is to say,

    "Vatican traditions" and "scandals" are being placed into the same category in need of Judae-Masonic Communist reformation.

    The internal logic of the sentence wouldn't hold unless this unmentioned assertion did not underpin it conceptually.  Psychological warfare is sly, but these foul journalists are experts at it.


    This is an astute observation, PereJoseph.  What this is is an implied
    syllogism, which evokes in the mind of an unsuspecting reader the
    notion that he "gets it" because the thing that they are trying to teach
    him is not spelled out, as you say, "this unmentioned assertion
    [underpins the sentence logic] conceptually."

    But there are at least three such syllogisms at work here.  How do these
    syllogisms go?  Check it out:

    FIRST SYLLOGISM

    Major:
    The Pope acts toward the Catholic Church's benefit by tackling problems
    that assail the Church.

    Minor:
    But for certain problems to be resolved in a way that meets the demands
    of the modern world, they are in need of ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic solutions, including
    but not limited to the breaking of long-held Vatican traditions.

    Conclusion:
    Therefore, when the Pope applies ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic solutions to the
    problems of the Church by breaking Vatican traditions, he is acting
    toward the benefit of the Church.
     

    SECOND SYLLOGISM

    Major proposition:  
    Pope Francis has already broken Vatican traditions, by which he acts
    toward the benefit of the Catholic Church.

    Minor proposition:
    But Vatican traditions and scandals are both problems in the Church
    that are in need of reform.

    Conclusion:
    Therefore, the Pope can well proceed to deal with scandals just as
    he has broken long-held Vatican traditions, toward the Church's
    improvement.


    THIRD SYLLOGISM

    Major proposition:  
    Among the many problems assailing the Roman Catholic Church is  
    the scandal-ridden Vatican bureaucracy and bank.

    Minor proposition:
    But the Church already benefits by Pope Francis in his beginning to
    break Vatican traditions, such as not naming the Father, Son and Holy
    Ghost when blessing people because some of them are not Catholic,
    and including a non-Catholic Mohammedan woman among those
    whose feet he washed in the Maundy Thursday Mandatum, among
    others, and these are ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic solutions.

    Conclusion:
    Breaking Vatican traditions as well as resolving scandals such as the
    Vatican bureaucacy and bank, can be achieved by application of the
    principles of ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic reform in the Roman Catholic Church.


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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #6 on: April 02, 2013, 05:26:42 PM »
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  • Quote from: Iuvenalis
    From: http://nz.sports.yahoo.com/news/pope-preside-over-first-good-065648547.html

    "Francis has already broken with several Vatican traditions, although he is yet to begin tackling the many problems assailing the Roman Catholic Church including reform of the scandal-ridden Vatican bureaucracy and bank."

    *ding* *ding* *ding*

    *Nothing* about the problems, the pedos, the poofters, etc. Nothing. Zero. Nada.

    Just grandstanding.

    It's not humility if you say "Look at me! Look how humble I am!"




    Yes.  If the Pope were to show true humility, he would humbly accept
    the Traditions that have been handed down to him from antiquity.  It
    takes an extra large measure of humility in this age to do such a thing.
    Rather, what we see with Pope Francis is the general disregard for
    Papal traditions, and it seems he's looking for some way of doing
    everything somehow DIFFERENT from history,  ABT - Anything But
    Tradition!

    Benedict XVI did some window-dressing with the trappings of tradition,
    but it was largely a disguise for his real agenda which lay underneath,
    that is, subsists in what he did.  But since appearances are everything
    so often these days, many Catholics were seduced by his actions.

    The way you know that someone is PERHAPS being humble is if they
    do not announce the fact.  Conversely, the way you know that someone
    is NOT being humble is when they get a photo-opp going just to be sure
    that everyone knows how humble they are.  


    (Mt. vi):
    1 TAKE heed that you do not your justice before men, to be seen by them: otherwise you shall not have a reward of your Father who is in heaven.
    2 Therefore when thou dost an almsdeed, sound not a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the ѕуηαgσgυєs and in the streets, that they may be honoured by men. Amen I say to you, they have received their reward.
    3 But when thou dost alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doth.
    4 That thy alms may be in secret, and thy Father who seeth in secret will repay thee.

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