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Offline Magdalene

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I feel quilty after reading this
« on: June 18, 2007, 11:32:24 PM »
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  • Rev. Stanley G. Morrow: The Danger of Criticizing Priests and Bishops

    The lastest issue of Homiletic and Pastoral Review is out and, as always, HPR has chosen one of its articles in the issue to be featured at its online site.


    This is an excellent article and deserves some attention and reflection. But, I want to give you a lead-in to this article. In particular, I believe Catholic bloggers may want to ponder the admonishment of Fr. Morrow, who shares examples in history of where criticism, while seemingy just, can lead down a deadly path.

    Catholic blogging in the internet age makes it easy to engage in criticisms of priests and bishops. Reading the article by Fr. Morrow we get a picture of what many priests and bishops were like in the 13th century. As I read it, my thoughts turned to St. Francis: How did he deal with these priests and bishops? That is where Fr. Morrow takes readers next. He compares and contrasts the acts and behavior of St. Francis in dealing with the same kinds of unvirtuous and even sinful priests and bishops, as those who lived Gospel poverty at the same time, but were openly critical (and eventually excommunicated). It's the difference between a humble, prayerful and even charitable response, and one that is prideful. Both groups cared about the Church enough to want to do something, but Francis took the high road and his efforts left others an opportunity to see their errors (not that they necessarily did).

    What can we learn from this?

    As a blogger, I admit that in my early writings, I had a focus on the latest, most outrageous, thing happening out there in the liturgy and in the Church. I felt the need to protect Holy Mother Church from such outrages and wanted to vent. The internet made it easy to share photos and video of what was going on. I felt myself angry inside much of the time.

    One day, a young priest with whom I was close, showed disapproval for my having posted such things. This priest challenged me gently, but persistently, saying that it would be far more productive if I spent an hour in adoration in reparation for offenses that were visible to me, than to be exploiting them and being openly critical. It took some time (weeks and months) for it to sink in and now that it has, I am at peace. Gone is the constant anger and sense of outrage - neither of which are fruits of the Holy Spirit. That is why you won't find "scandal stories" in my posts of late and why I choose to focus more on leading readers to things that are spiritually beneficial. I don't even read the scandal stories on Catholic blogs any longer because they counter the Christian values which continue to evolve through the help of my confessors and spiritual directors. Furthermore, I don't want to encourage people in these kinds of posts by contributing to high hit counts.

    Some of what I have read in the past, and even passed along, borders on detraction, but only God knows what is in a person's heart. I would like to think that we would not even want to come close to that line out of fear that we would offend Our Lord. Much "news" these days is actually gossip and just because it comes from a supposedly reliable source, does not make it right to pass on publicly (emphasis mine).


    CCC: 2477
    Respect for the reputation of persons forbids every attitude and word likely to cause them unjust injury.278 He becomes guilty:


    of rash judgment who, even tacitly, assumes as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of a neighbor;


    of detraction who, without objectively valid reason, discloses another's faults and failings to persons who did not know them;279


    of calumny who, by remarks contrary to the truth, harms the reputation of others and gives occasion for false judgments concerning them.


    Fr. Morrow's article surrounds this whole issue well and I encourage all bloggers and readers of blogs to spend some time chewing on it. Consider what you are writing, and what you are reading. Consider that each time you click a "scandal" story on a Catholic blog - even if it is about the outrageous liturgical act of the week - you encourage the writer to give more of the same by virtue of the hits.

    Hit counters should never drive content. Original Sin has left us wanting juicy tidbits. It becomes easy to by-pass 10 minutes of pure spiritual reading on a blog for 20, 30 or even 120 minutes of those juicy tidbit stories - almost to the exlusion of anything truly spiritual. I should know - I'm guilty of having done this. After a while, hopefully we begin to question what attracts us to such things over the spiritual, if not our fallen nature?

    If you happen to stumble across something which exposes "the sins of others" you have a choice: You can continue reading it and post on it, or you can offer a Rosary, an hour of adoration, or some other meaningful sacrifice - silently - in reparation for the offense, and for the conversion of those involved. There are proper channels for reporting things which merit reporting - first at the local level, then the Vatican. Don't post your abuse videos and photos online, send them to the bishop with a straightforward letter, written with facts, in charity, and free of emotion. If you get no response in 3 months time or get an unsatisfactory response, send the package to the proper office at the Vatican. That is good protocol; publicly "reporting" such things on the web is not.

    If you want an example, look to Pope Benedict XVI. You won't hear him publicly bashing anyone. Rather, it is handled with utmost charity, even when "counsel" is given. How would the Pope feel about some of the criticisms, and tone, on Catholic blogs? Even if anger is justified, is publicly airing such dirty laundry justified? Would he be disappointed with what we write? When he "spanks" it's with a soft hand because hitting any harder would seemingly "force" people into submission when we are suppose to respond with an act of free will. Some will choose correctly with gentle prodding, some will refuse and that is the keyword - it is their choice and one that God gives to them.

    Don't get me wrong. I am as upset by abuses visible via the internet as anyone. I'm just choosing to deal with it a different way these days and I'm grateful to have had a confessor who cared enough to say something.

    Persecution and abuse - even from within - has been with the Catholic Church from the beginning. Jesus chose Judas, and Judas had a free will. Jesus knew what Judas would do, but he teaches us that even within the clergy there are sinners who will make bad decisions. We must leave the judgment to God and pray for the conversion of these souls and make reparation for their deeds.

    Go read:
    The Danger of Criticizing Priests and Bishops

    Please don't comment until you have read the article by Fr. Morrow.



    Offline gladius_veritatis

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    I feel quilty after reading this
    « Reply #1 on: June 20, 2007, 10:33:37 AM »
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  • Well, most of the men involved are not actual (read 'validly consecrated/ordained') bishops or priests - but mere "presiders over the assembly".

    Seriously, to navigate the storm-tossed waters of the present day, one is going to have to discuss some objectively nasty facts.  One can, and must, do this without cutting into the person.  Most human beings do not do this, and even fewer seem to able to discern when it has actually been done.
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    I feel quilty after reading this
    « Reply #2 on: June 20, 2007, 10:39:53 AM »
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  • I was reading the link and noticed it was NO and thought about the invalid ones.  Anyway, I quit reading the link because it didn't seem to fit with the present situation (not all is as it seems---more than meets the eye.)
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    I feel quilty after reading this
    « Reply #3 on: June 20, 2007, 11:07:00 AM »
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  • It is like the days of the Maccabees, when men were slain for their gross infidelity - not protected by their 'office'.

    To remain silent in the face of such evils as we have seen would be criminal, not charitable.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    I feel quilty after reading this
    « Reply #4 on: June 20, 2007, 05:14:13 PM »
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  • :soapbox: My two cents:

    I read your opening post, Magdalene, and the article last night. First of all, before I go on, gladius and Trinity would not probably agree with my reference to the Novus Ordo priest author of the article as a priest, and I am not trying to debate that issue here. The same goes for my reference to Novus Ordo bishops as bishops. Anyway, it is not surprising that the NO priest author of the article is emphasizing obedience, but alas, the virtue has been abused in excess and defect in the Church today and stripped from its proper place among the hierarchy of virtues, charity being the most important virtue of all. Like anything else, obedience means nothing if there is no charity behind it. In fact, it would no longer be obedience in that case but disobedience or an excess of obedience. Alright, now the issue really is that of criticism of clergy. It would be a greater sin to let people not know the truth if they are being fooled, especially if it is being done by the devil, the father of lies. Also, there have been worse actions and words by bishops and priests today than in times past in the sense that the whole Catholic faith is now being attacked rather than simply only certain aspects or elements of it. Not only a part, but everything is being attacked. The situation of today is far worse then. There is such thing as being overly critical, but that means criticism must be something constructive rather than deconstructive. To allow error to spread and remain without speaking against it is like supporting it. St. Pius X himself complained of the weakness of Catholics in his time, and there is even more of it today. Yes, there must be strength in charity, especially through humility (involving patience and perseverance), but that does not mean we just let others believe nonsense that could lead them straight to the depths of tartarus. In other words, it would be wrong to let others just walk all over the Catholic faith without saying anything.

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    I feel quilty after reading this
    « Reply #5 on: June 20, 2007, 07:08:40 PM »
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  • The Bible speaks of dogs who don't bark---rather scathingly, at that.  Those priests and bishops who were ordained or consecrated using the false/invalid prescription are not priests or bishops.  Some (only God knows how many) among the NO are valid priests and bishops.  Gives one a headache doing the math and guessing if their entrance to the office pre or post dated the change.  

    But even still, those in the NO are part and parcel of a heresy, so there is still great danger in listening to them, although the command to obedience is still in effect with the valid clergy.  It's a nightmare, hazardous to your mental and spiritual health.  I avoid it if at all possible and cling to my good CMRI bishop, seeking his counsel as much as I can.

    Bottom line for me regarding the talk, talk:  pray and do penance or at least offer up whatever little sufferings I have and pass on whatever info may help others.  Another point comes to mind about all this and the other threads on today's stinkin' thinkin'.  We may not achieve decontamination in this life, and if we do I am inclined to consider it a miracle.  We are simply too steeped in weird attitudes and error.
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    I feel quilty after reading this
    « Reply #6 on: June 20, 2007, 11:46:39 PM »
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  • If you are warning people about a priest or bishop (for the good of their souls), then that is a different story. What I got from reading the priests article, is that certain Catholics are overdoing it. For instance, we all know about liturgical abuses. So what good does it do if a person posts videos of the latest abuse at this or that church - we know it happens. The only thing that comes out of such posts is anger, ill-feelings, etc... Instead of wasting precious time feeding off such negativity, we should spend the time before our Lord in reparation and prayer for these bad priests.



     

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    « Reply #7 on: June 21, 2007, 09:10:06 PM »
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  • It is sad that with some people you know that they will most likely will or will react unkindly if you tell them the truth or give some kind of fraternal correction. Indeed though, anger, or wrath, is a vice which we must avoid, for I know how that has overcome me so many times sadly. Of course, if I am not mistaken, there is also the sort of anger that is really a thirst for justice. In that case, that is when I suppose we should appease God for justice through penance.
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)


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    « Reply #8 on: June 21, 2007, 10:12:54 PM »
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  • I wish someone would take that subject up for discussion, Keph---righteous vs unrighteous anger.  It is something well worth knowing.
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    Please pray for the repose of her soul.