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I believe in God, not in a Catholic God
« on: October 02, 2013, 10:50:49 AM »
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  • Bergy Interview Click Here

    La Repubblica's founder, Eugenio Scalfari : I am grateful for this question. The answer is this: I believe in Being, that is in the tissue from which forms, bodies arise.

    Bergy : "And I believe in God, not in a Catholic God, there is no Catholic God, there is God and I believe in Jesus Christ, his incarnation. Jesus is my teacher and my pastor, but God, the Father, Abba, is the light and the Creator. This is my Being. Do you think we are very far apart?"


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    « Reply #1 on: October 02, 2013, 12:04:46 PM »
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    Bergy Interview Click Here

    La Repubblica's founder, Eugenio Scalfari : I am grateful for this question. The answer is this: I believe in Being, that is in the tissue from which forms, bodies arise.

    Bergy : "And I believe in God, not in a Catholic God, there is no Catholic God, there is God and I believe in Jesus Christ, his incarnation. Jesus is my teacher and my pastor, but God, the Father, Abba, is the light and the Creator. This is my Being. Do you think we are very far apart?"


    If he was misquoted before in other interviews as some people claim, then why would he keep calling these same people to grant them interviews? There's no clear mention of the divinity of Christ, nor the Trinity, nor the Holy Ghost. By their deeds you shall know them.


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    « Reply #2 on: October 02, 2013, 12:24:36 PM »
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    Bergy : "And I believe in God, not in a Catholic God, there is no Catholic God, there is God and I believe in Jesus Christ, his incarnation. Jesus is my teacher and my pastor, but God, the Father, Abba, is the light and the Creator. This is my Being. Do you think we are very far apart?" . . . . . . . ."Each of us has a vision of good and of evil. We have to encourage people to move towards what they think is Good."



    Not to worry, just another case of invincible ignorance playing out in real time.












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    « Reply #3 on: October 02, 2013, 12:48:14 PM »
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  • Fr. Cekada's tweet this morning made me laugh ugly:

    Summary of Francis' latest interview:
    Francis: "There is no Catholic God."
    God: "There is no Catholic Pope!"

     :roll-laugh2:
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    « Reply #4 on: October 02, 2013, 12:53:37 PM »
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    If he was misquoted before in other interviews as some people claim, then why would he keep calling these same people to grant them interviews?


    People have been making excuses for decades.  I remember the early days of JP2 where people claimed he was "a prisoner in the Vatican" and made to do things against his will.

    People will believe what they want to believe.

    Fact is all Popes are culpable for their actions and inactions.  And for anyone to claim ignorance on their behalf is just insane.  Even if the journalist did lie, the Pope would have a duty to very publicly correct his statements bearing in mind the scandal he would cause if he did not.

    If he does not correct them, one can assume he meant it.


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    « Reply #5 on: October 02, 2013, 03:28:34 PM »
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    Fr. Cekada's tweet this morning made me laugh ugly:

    Summary of Francis' latest interview:
    Francis: "There is no Catholic God."
    God: "There is no Catholic Pope!"

     :roll-laugh2:


    That is...perfect.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    « Reply #6 on: October 02, 2013, 04:47:19 PM »
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  • Ggreg makes an excellent point.  

    If this can all be boiled down to the media getting it wrong, then why isn't the Vatican issued corrections in their media mouthpeices?  I mean corrections and not verbally trickery.  

    If this is just media mischief, why isn't the Vatican asking for permission to pre-read every interview release?  It's fairly standard practice out there in the world.


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    « Reply #7 on: October 02, 2013, 04:55:50 PM »
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    Ggreg makes an excellent point.  

    If this can all be boiled down to the media getting it wrong, then why isn't the Vatican issued corrections in their media mouthpeices?  I mean corrections and not verbally trickery.  

    If this is just media mischief, why isn't the Vatican asking for permission to pre-read every interview release?  It's fairly standard practice out there in the world.



    The Vatican doesn't need to issue a statement, because there is a world of internet neo-cats and tads that serve as Francis' unofficial translators.  
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    « Reply #8 on: October 02, 2013, 04:57:50 PM »
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  • So is Francis denying that Jesus Christ is God?

    Is he forgetting that Jesus Christ founded ONE Church, and anyone that is honest who takes the time can trace that One Church back to what we call the Catholic church, yes Universal, meaning for all men.  Not universal meaning any belief under the sun.  

    Or does Francis just believe that Jesus Christ is God, and is the founder of only One Church, but Jesus Christ Himself did not embrace it. What is it?

    Explain yourself Francis.  
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    « Reply #9 on: October 02, 2013, 05:00:53 PM »
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    Ggreg makes an excellent point.  

    If this can all be boiled down to the media getting it wrong, then why isn't the Vatican issued corrections in their media mouthpeices?  I mean corrections and not verbally trickery.  

    If this is just media mischief, why isn't the Vatican asking for permission to pre-read every interview release?  It's fairly standard practice out there in the world.



    The Vatican doesn't need to issue a statement, because there is a world of internet neo-cats and tads that serve as Francis' unofficial translators.  


    The Vatican has a press office, that's what I was referring to.  

    The Vatican is actually playing the media.  The game is being played by the Vatican and they are playing it in such a manner that, at a future date, they can try to bring out the lie that the media manipulated the pope's words.  

    The whole "actual Vatican II council" and the legendary, mythical "council of the media" that B XVI brought out for public consumption is such an example.


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    « Reply #10 on: October 02, 2013, 05:24:16 PM »
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  •  :facepalm:
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    « Reply #11 on: October 02, 2013, 05:37:04 PM »
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    Ggreg makes an excellent point.  

    If this can all be boiled down to the media getting it wrong, then why isn't the Vatican issued corrections in their media mouthpeices?  I mean corrections and not verbally trickery.  

    If this is just media mischief, why isn't the Vatican asking for permission to pre-read every interview release?  It's fairly standard practice out there in the world.



    The Vatican doesn't need to issue a statement, because there is a world of internet neo-cats and tads that serve as Francis' unofficial translators.  


    The Vatican has a press office, that's what I was referring to.  

    The Vatican is actually playing the media.  The game is being played by the Vatican and they are playing it in such a manner that, at a future date, they can try to bring out the lie that the media manipulated the pope's words.  

    The whole "actual Vatican II council" and the legendary, mythical "council of the media" that B XVI brought out for public consumption is such an example.



    I was being sarcastic, alluding to the wash of neo-cats who seem to know exactly what Francis meant and are explaining it for all of this.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    « Reply #12 on: October 02, 2013, 05:59:02 PM »
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    Ggreg makes an excellent point.  

    If this can all be boiled down to the media getting it wrong, then why isn't the Vatican issued corrections in their media mouthpeices?  I mean corrections and not verbally trickery.  

    If this is just media mischief, why isn't the Vatican asking for permission to pre-read every interview release?  It's fairly standard practice out there in the world.



    The Vatican doesn't need to issue a statement, because there is a world of internet neo-cats and tads that serve as Francis' unofficial translators.  


    The Vatican has a press office, that's what I was referring to.  

    The Vatican is actually playing the media.  The game is being played by the Vatican and they are playing it in such a manner that, at a future date, they can try to bring out the lie that the media manipulated the pope's words.  

    The whole "actual Vatican II council" and the legendary, mythical "council of the media" that B XVI brought out for public consumption is such an example.



    I was being sarcastic, alluding to the wash of neo-cats who seem to know exactly what Francis meant and are explaining it for all of this.


    I get it now.   :cool:


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    « Reply #13 on: October 02, 2013, 06:19:28 PM »
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  • It's kinda funny how people seem to be making this pope out to be worse than the other conciliar popes.

    PPVI was worse IMO,  after all, he was the one who dismantled the faith and Church and paved the way for PF and sent the entire world into an ecuмenical  down spin. Then there was JP2 who fully understood what the NO was all about and did what he could to implement the evil thing. Among the atrocities were  kissing the Koran and Assisi - all that he did during his reign was saying the same thing as PF - that there is no Catholic God, but instead of him saying it out loud, he said it by example.

    If there is anything worth noting about this pope or non-pope or anti-pope or who knows what he is, is that we can look at what he is literally doing for his part of the process in the fulfillment of the demolition of the Church. Not that they will succeed, but the darts he is throwing certainly can cause some serious wounds in the mean time.

    And like the days of PPVI when the overwhelming multitude of Catholics compromised because the pope said it was needed, we should expect the identical results here - only worse because thanks to technology today that was unavailable back in the 60s and 70s, more fools will rush into ruin today than did so back then.

    I don't look for any NO Cardinals or Bishops speak up in defense of the truth, rather, I look for them to support the pope in his heresies same as they've done for the last 50 years.

    For 40 years I've been hearing that "it's going to get worse before it gets better" - so far, those who said that were right on the money - and it still goes on - it's still true - things can only keep getting worse and worse before it gets any better, the devil never sleeps.


    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #14 on: October 03, 2013, 03:14:24 AM »
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  • Here's an NBC News clip - "looks like we ain't seen nuthin' yet".
    http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nightly-news/53161066#53161066
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse