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Author Topic: I apologize for attacking the CMRI as a whole for promoting Father Cekadas  (Read 10342 times)

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Offline SJB

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Quote from: Trinity
Ridiculous, or not, SJB, it is working out that way.  Jesus said that scandal would come, but woe to those by whom it came. I think there has to be a woe to those who disseminate it, too.


Except the scandal came from the SGG clergy and those clergy who will say nothing in public.

The problem is the scandal caused by their inaction to correct certain situations and their actions to conceal and deny any problems exist, while destroying the reputations of good people and liquidating a church as if the people who paid for it knew it was just an asset for Anthony Cekada to do with as he pleases. Fr. Cekada admitted on Fisheater's Forum that, in principle, he has no MORAL right to sell a church out from under those who paid for it.


Quote from: McHugh and Callan, Moral Theology
1270. The kinds of faults that call for fraternal correction are as follows:

(a) grave sins should be corrected, for otherwise one allows a soul to perish that might have been saved. (Matt., xviii. 14, 15);

(b) slight sins or transgressions of rules should also be corrected, when they are the occasion of grave scandal or disorder in a community, and superiors who are negligent about this commit mortal sin.


(c) slight sins or transgressions should not be corrected in ordinary cases, for these faults are so numerous that, if one had to correct them, an intolerable burden would be laid on everyone. Persons who scold and lecture over every trifling misdeed are regarded as pests and do more harm than good.


Quote from: McHugh and Callan, Moral Theology
1286. In what cases should secret admonition he used?

(a) For public sins (i.e., real sins known or soon to be known to the larger part of the community), no secret admonition is required, since the guilt is already publicly known; a public correction, on the contrary, is necessary to remedy the scandal:

“Them that sin reprove before all, that the rest also may have fear" (I Tim., v. 20).

(b) For occult sins that are against the common good or the good of a third person no secret admonition is required, but one should denounce them immediately; for the spiritual or corporal welfare of the multitude or of an innocent private individual is a greater good than the reputation of the guilty person. Exception should be made, however, for the case in which one is certain that by a secret admonition one can correct the sinner and prevent the harm that threatens others. Examples: If Titus knows that there is a plot to rob the house of Balbus, and that any effort to dissuade the criminals would only bring him into danger, he ought to warn Balbus or the authorities. If Claudius knows that in his school a certain student is teaching the other boys to steal and become drunk, he should make this known, and hence cannot be absolved if he refuses. But the seal of the confessional must be observed.

(c) For occult sins that are not against the common good or that of a third person, one should have recourse to secret admonition before making the sins known. This will save the sinner from loss of reputation and from consequent hardness in sin; it will also save others from a share in his infamy, or from the scandal caused by publicity.


Quote from: Trinity
I think there has to be a woe to those who disseminate it, too.


Do you think that is consistent with what I just posted?

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I have been replying to some posts you have made which contain unsubstantiated and fanciful allegations.

What is intolerable is that you make unsubstantiated and fanciful allegations.


"An allegation (also called adduction) is a claim of a fact by a party in a pleading, which the party claims to be able to prove."

As much as you seem to enjoy using the word, it is not actually applicable.  Carry on...


Here are some definitions of the word:

al·le·ga·tion (al′ə gā′s̸hən)

noun

something alleged; assertion
an assertion made without proof
an assertion, especially an accusation, not necessarily based on facts
something that someone says happened


You provided a definition of the word, which does not apply in this case.

I'm sure  :wink: you understand that many words have more than one meaning and can be used in more than one sense.

Carry on. :wink:


Quote from: Trinity
RC, Sedetrad did the right thing.  He is far better off thinking well of people, barring explicit evidence otherwise, than thinking evil of them.


No Trinity, he did not do the right thing. I'm pretty sure you will understand if I make it clear.

He should not have presumed to speak for the CMRI priests when at the beginning of this thread he wrote:

"I am sure many good priests in the CMRI feel the same as I about Father Cekada and his book"

He does not know if any priests in CMRI feel the same as he about Father Cekada and his book. And he should not be speaking for them on the www.

He has not apoligized for that statement. He made it just after his apology  about something else (which also contained an inaccuracy).

It seems the poor young man just can't control himself or lacks common sense.

Offline SJB

Roman Catholic,

I have privately and publicly corrected Sedetrad from time to time. You seem obsessed with his comments about CMRI, yet you ignore the scandalous situation that "inspired" his unfortunate comments.

Sedetrad's response is emotional, therefore inaccurate. The fact that a priest might promote Fr. Cekada's book is not the problem. The problem is the absolute silence of the trad clergy, which scandalizes Catholics who see the very public sins of Fr. Cekada and Bp. Dolan. This is what we were used to seeing in the Novus Ordo.

It could be that we have the traditional liturgy, yet we are still without true shepherds. The trad clergy, those who know what is going on and say nothing, are like the hireling.

SJB




What did Jesus do about the Pharisees?  He warned the apostles not to be like them.