Author Topic: I apologize for attacking the CMRI as a whole for promoting Father Cekadas (Read 5036 times)

sedetrad · « **on:** July 22, 2010, 11:39:09 AM »

I apologize. It was wrong of me to be angry at the CMRI in its totality for promoting Father Cekada's trash novel. I am sure many good priests in the CMRI feel the same as I about Father Cekada and his book.

Trinity · « **Reply #1 on:** July 22, 2010, 11:40:43 AM »

Bless you, Sede. You are a unifier in a sadly dis united world.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 22, 2010, 03:33:34 PM »

I don't really follow the SGG stuff but Father Cekada does have a highly inappropriate way of speaking for a priest. Especially one who is under fire. This is from a letter he wrote to someone about Terri Schiavo, that I just happened to find today on a French website of all places:

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"3. A wicked husband still maintains his headship over the wife before God and his "domestic and paternal authority."

He has the right to say yes or no to ice chips and Jello, unless and until an ecclesiastical or civil court, for a grave and just reason, legitimately impedes him from exercising his right.

Compromise on that principle, and the family is toast."

Is he really joking about Schiavo being fed "ice chips and jello"? Does this man have any sense of propriety? I can make jokes like that on CathInfo, not that I would about a subject like this, but he is a priest responding to a concerned parishioner about a volatile controversy.

Also, what does a man starving his wife have to do with "domestic and paternal authority"? Then he tries to defend his opinion on the Schiavo case by making it look like he's standing up for the family, with the line, once again inappropriate, "compromise on that principle, and the family is toast."

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"4. Finally, the larger problem I see is that lay traditionalists like you are trying to turn something into a mortal sin that isn't.

You have no business doing so. You don't have the training in moral theology that priests have, and you certainly don't have the confessional experience we do in applying moral principles."

That's exactly the defense he uses for NFP, by the way. And he also calls on Pius XII to justify his Schiavo decision. Uh-oh... Remember how regarding NFP, Pius XII says that "eugenic" considerations are a serious motive?

P.S. Father Cekada sounds exactly like Caminus. It's uncanny. I think I will give up sarcasm for good, I don't want to sound like this.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #3 on:** July 22, 2010, 07:55:19 PM »

Quote from: sedetrad

I apologize. It was wrong of me to be angry at the CMRI in its totality for promoting Father Cekada's trash novel. I am sure many good priests in the CMRI feel the same as I about Father Cekada and his book.

Firstly it is not a novel.

Secondly, could you do better?

Thirdly, Why are you so sure that many good priests in the CMRI feel the same as you about Father Cekada and his book?

Can you name even one CMRI priest who agrees with you?

Waiting....

Elizabeth · « **Reply #4 on:** July 22, 2010, 08:14:36 PM »

:chef:Don't fall for it, Sedetrad. Roman Catholic really does not want you to name names.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #5 on:** July 22, 2010, 08:27:46 PM »

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:chef:Don't fall for it, Sedetrad. Roman Catholic really does not want you to name names.

Eliz, you seem like you are just stirring the pot with your cooks hat and are itching for a fight. But you know the saying about too many cooks.

Just settle down Eliz, and think straight about it. I never asked you to name anyone, and you know it. Otherwise show me where I asked you to. I can show you where I said I did not want you to name anyone.

I asked Sedetrad to come up with the goods and name names, because he is presuming to speak specifically on behalf of of a some individuals in a small group of traditional Catholic priests.

Can you see the difference??

Do you think CMRI as a whole and as individual priests want him to be saying that he is "sure many good priests in the CMRI feel the same as I about Father Cekada and his book"?

Do you think he is qualified to say?

C'mon sedetrad...

SJB · « **Reply #6 on:** July 22, 2010, 08:36:35 PM »

Quote from: Raoul76

Is he (Fr. Cekada) really joking about Schiavo being fed "ice chips and jello"? Does this man have any sense of propriety? I can make jokes like that on CathInfo, not that I would about a subject like this, but he is a priest responding to a concerned parishioner about a volatile controversy.

Also, what does a man starving his wife have to do with "domestic and paternal authority"? Then he tries to defend his opinion on the Schiavo case by making it look like he's standing up for the family, with the line, once again inappropriate, "compromise on that principle, and the family is toast."

Fr. Cekada is not a serious writer. That was my point in comparing his treatment of the Schiavo case with Fr. Iscara's (SSPX) treatment of the issue of ordinary/extraordinary means.

It is also interesting to note that it appears that Bp. Sanborn had gently distanced himself from the Cekada/Dolan position on Schiavo. Apparently, a parishoner had informed Bp. Sanborn that a priest had given Terri Schiavo communion and she was able to consume the species. Bp. Sanborn admitted that that fact "changes everything".

SJB · « **Reply #7 on:** July 22, 2010, 08:48:06 PM »

Quote from: Roman Catholic

Quote from: Elizabeth
:chef:Don't fall for it, Sedetrad. Roman Catholic really does not want you to name names.

Eliz, you seem like you are just stirring the pot with your cooks hat and are itching for a fight. But you know the saying about too many cooks.

Just settle down Eliz, and think straight about it. I never asked you to name anyone, and you know it. Otherwise show me where I asked you to. I can show you where I said I did not want you to name anyone.

I asked Sedetrad to come up with the goods and name names, because he is presuming to speak specifically on behalf of of a some individuals in a small group of traditional Catholic priests.

Can you see the difference??

Do you think CMRI as a whole and as individual priests want him to be saying that he is "sure many good priests in the CMRI feel the same as I about Father Cekada and his book"?

Do you think he is qualified to say?

C'mon sedetrad...

I think the frustration of many is that while no trad priests will defend Fr. Cekada/Bp. Dolan, nobody will stand up and condemn their actions either. There is this ridiculous notion that the truth will "hurt the Church".

Elizabeth · « **Reply #8 on:** July 22, 2010, 09:05:04 PM »

SJB, that notion has been ridiculous for 2,000 years.

Some traddy clergy just need to repent and take long vacations-stay away from schools and the limelight.

Ha, if they were honest, they'd see why the Novus Ordo have tried to save face.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #9 on:** July 22, 2010, 09:06:03 PM »

Quote from: SJB

Quote from: Roman Catholic
Quote from: Elizabeth
:chef:Don't fall for it, Sedetrad. Roman Catholic really does not want you to name names.

Eliz, you seem like you are just stirring the pot with your cooks hat and are itching for a fight. But you know the saying about too many cooks.

Just settle down Eliz, and think straight about it. I never asked you to name anyone, and you know it. Otherwise show me where I asked you to. I can show you where I said I did not want you to name anyone.

I asked Sedetrad to come up with the goods and name names, because he is presuming to speak specifically on behalf of of a some individuals in a small group of traditional Catholic priests.

Can you see the difference??

Do you think CMRI as a whole and as individual priests want him to be saying that he is "sure many good priests in the CMRI feel the same as I about Father Cekada and his book"?

Do you think he is qualified to say?

C'mon sedetrad...

I think the frustration of many is that while no trad priests will defend Fr. Cekada/Bp. Dolan, nobody will stand up and condemn their actions either. There is this ridiculous notion that the truth will "hurt the Church".

Nevertheless no one should say "I am sure many good priests in the CMRI feel the same as I about Father Cekada and his book" unless he can susbstantiate his stated certainty.

And if sedetrad is so sure, he must have reasons and evidence for being so sure... unless he is just spouting off and is not really sure at all.

SJB · « **Reply #10 on:** July 22, 2010, 09:14:57 PM »

Nevertheless, I think the frustration of many is that while no trad priests will defend Fr. Cekada/Bp. Dolan, nobody will stand up and condemn their actions either. There is this ridiculous notion that the truth will "hurt the Church".

Can't you see that the laity has been pushed into a corner by the lack of any priests standing up and dealing with this issue?

Elizabeth · « **Reply #11 on:** July 22, 2010, 09:20:35 PM »

Quote from: SJB

Can't you see that the laity has been pushed into a corner by the lack of any priests standing up and dealing with this issue?

I most certainly can, and I have been bemoaning this for ages.

The hypocrisy of it all.... :cry:

Elizabeth · « **Reply #12 on:** July 22, 2010, 09:24:37 PM »

Quote from: Roman Catholic

Eliz, you seem like you are just stirring the pot with your cooks hat and are itching for a fight. But you know the saying about too many cooks.

Yeah <<too many cooks spoil the brothel>>

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #13 on:** July 22, 2010, 09:29:36 PM »

Quote from: SJB

Nevertheless, I think the frustration of many is that while no trad priests will defend Fr. Cekada/Bp. Dolan, nobody will stand up and condemn their actions either. There is this ridiculous notion that the truth will "hurt the Church".

Can't you see that the laity has been pushed into a corner by the lack of any priests standing up and dealing with this issue?

If someone feels that they are figuratively pushed into a corner, that does not maen they are free to do wrong themselves.

I understand how you feel about the situation SJB. But can't you see that what sedetrad did is simply unjustifiiable and plain wrong?

Unless of course he has permission from the CMRI priests whom he is referencing. In which case he should be able to readily and happily quote them.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #14 on:** July 22, 2010, 09:37:05 PM »

Quote from: Elizabeth

Quote from: Roman Catholic

Eliz, you seem like you are just stirring the pot with your cooks hat and are itching for a fight. But you know the saying about too many cooks.

Yeah <<too many cooks spoil the brothel>>

That troll-like comment is infradig.

I have to go do same paid work soon, so I'll leave you to work of stirring the pot and :chef:ing up a storm here. Can you please try not to be unbecoming here anymore though?