Author Topic: I am offended and angry. (Read 609 times)

crossbro · « **on:** April 02, 2014, 12:20:39 AM »

Here I am a baptized Roman Catholic. A friend of Jesus. A believer.

But the BODers want me to believe my baptism has zero meaning or merit at all. That the words and promises of Jesus are empty.

Using the logic of some of those arguing for BOD the most likely candidate for it would be a monkey.

Here we have a pope of all things saying atheists can go to heaven wanting me to believe my faith has no meaning or merit. Going against one of the best friends Jesus ever walked and lived with St John who told us the anti-Christ is anyone who denies Jesus.

Now who knows Jesus more ? St. John who Jesus entrusted with His own Mother or pope Francis ?

This pope says we need to throw the doors open and accept openly gαy people into the faith and accept them. Saint Paul was encountered by Jesus and enlightened by Jesus in person. Who has done more for the Church than St Paul ?

St Paul told us not to associate with the sɛҳuąƖly immoral.

Francis is a false teacher and no friend of Jesus.

If these statements make me no longer welcome in the Church no longer a Catholic no longer a Christian than so be it.

If in anyway I have offended Jesus in this then I would rather burn in hell for all eternity then spend one second in His presence.

You worship this or that dogma or this or that doctrine or this or that pope or this or that mystic or this or that doctor.

If you need ritual or dogma to believe then worship your ritual or dogma.

I will worship Jesus.

Cantarella · « **Reply #1 on:** April 02, 2014, 12:42:05 AM »

Take heart, Crossbro. When everything else collapses, the Church does not. Adhere to infallible sources which after all, are from Divine origin. That is the beauty of infallibility. We have the reassurance that Her teaching is immune to human error. Modernism has plagued the Church for over a century now but the truths of Heaven are there for all who truly seek and are immutable since they will never change. It is Church dogma that:

There is absolutely no salvation for any human being outside actual baptized membership in the Roman Catholic Church.

All who enters Heaven dies a Catholic.

bowler · « **Reply #2 on:** April 02, 2014, 09:02:33 AM »

Quote from: Cantarella

Take heart, Crossbro. When everything else collapses, the Church does not. Adhere to infallible sources which after all, are from Divine origin. That is the beauty of infallibility. We have the reassurance that Her teaching is immune to human error. Modernism has plagued the Church for over a century now but the truths of Heaven are there for all who truly seek and are immutable since they will never change. It is Church dogma that:

There is absolutely no salvation for any human being outside actual baptized membership in the Roman Catholic Church.

All who enters Heaven dies a Catholic.

Here it is clearly dogmatically declared:

Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, Constitution 1, 1215, ex cathedra: “There is indeed one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which nobody at all is saved, in which Jesus Christ is both priest and sacrifice.”

Even the catechumen are not part of the faithful, let alone what the BODers believe that anyone can be saved even if they have no explicit desire to be baptized, martyred, or mad a Catholic, and they have no belief in Christ and the Trinity.

Pope Eugene IV, The Council of Florence, “Exultate Deo,” Nov. 22, 1439, ex cathedra: “Holy baptism, which is the gateway to the spiritual life, holds the first place among all the sacraments; through it we are made members of Christ and of the body of the Church. And since death entered the universe through the first man, ‘unless we are born again of water and the Spirit, we cannot,’ as the Truth says, ‘enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:5]. The matter of this sacrament is real and natural water.”

JohnAnthonyMarie · « **Reply #3 on:** April 02, 2014, 09:12:52 AM »

Quote from: crossbro

Here I am a baptized Roman Catholic. A friend of Jesus. A believer.

But the BODers want me to believe my baptism has zero meaning or merit at all. That the words and promises of Jesus are empty.

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The Holy Gospel of Jesus Christ, According to St. Matthew

Chapter 20

20:1 The kingdom of heaven is like to an householder, who went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.
20:1 simile est enim regnum caelorum homini patri familias qui exiit primo mane conducere operarios in vineam suam

20:2 And having agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
20:2 conventione autem facta cuм operariis ex denario diurno misit eos in vineam suam

20:3 And going about the third hour, he saw others standing in the market place idle.
20:3 et egressus circa horam tertiam vidit alios stantes in foro otiosos

20:4 And he said to them: Go you also into my vineyard, and I will give you what shall be just.
20:4 et illis dixit ite et vos in vineam et quod iustum fuerit dabo vobis

20:5 And they went their way. And again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour, and did in like manner.
20:5 illi autem abierunt iterum autem exiit circa sextam et nonam horam et fecit similiter

20:6 But about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing, and he saith to them: Why stand you here all the day idle?
20:6 circa undecimam vero exiit et invenit alios stantes et dicit illis quid hic statis tota die otiosi

20:7 They say to him: Because no man hath hired us. He saith to them: Go you also into my vineyard.
20:7 dicunt ei quia nemo nos conduxit dicit illis ite et vos in vineam

20:8 And when evening was come, the lord of the vineyard saith to his steward: Call the labourers and pay them their hire, beginning from the last even to the first.
20:8 cuм sero autem factum esset dicit dominus vineae procuratori suo voca operarios et redde illis mercedem incipiens a novissimis usque ad primos

20:9 When therefore they were come, that came about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.
20:9 cuм venissent ergo qui circa undecimam horam venerant acceperunt singulos denarios

20:10 But when the first also came, they thought that they should receive more: and they also received every man a penny.
20:10 venientes autem et primi arbitrati sunt quod plus essent accepturi acceperunt autem et ipsi singulos denarios

20:11 And receiving it they murmured against the master of the house,
20:11 et accipientes murmurabant adversus patrem familias

20:12 Saying: These last have worked but one hour, and thou hast made them equal to us, that have borne the burden of the day and the heats.
20:12 dicentes hii novissimi una hora fecerunt et pares illos nobis fecisti qui portavimus pondus diei et aestus

20:13 But he answering said to one of them: Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst thou not agree with me for a penny?
20:13 at ille respondens uni eorum dixit amice non facio tibi iniuriam nonne ex denario convenisti mecuм

20:14 Take what is thine, and go thy way: I will also give to this last even as to thee.
20:14 tolle quod tuum est et vade volo autem et huic novissimo dare sicut et tibi

20:15 Or, is it not lawful for me to do what I will? is thy eye evil, because I am good?
20:15 aut non licet mihi quod volo facere an oculus tuus nequam est quia ego bonus sum

20:16 So shall the last be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen.
20:16 sic erunt novissimi primi et primi novissimi multi sunt enim vocati pauci autem electi